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01-12-2017, 06:59 AM

#221

727_Driver

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IMO while progress is still being made on the DR negotiations picket would hurt more than help the pilot group. There are too many open sections for a mediator to deal with. Once progress stops being made then you may see picketing and other legal actions. Until then the pilot group needs to follow the guidance of the MEC and fly SOP.

01-12-2017, 09:29 AM

#222

Ispeakjive

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I like the part where JetBlue tells applicants that they dont want you using them as a stepping stone airline. Sure, right. If they are going to act like a mega-regional, then they shouldn't be so house proud.

01-12-2017, 07:19 PM

#223

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ispeakjive

Hey, there is a JB 320 FO on the real QOL thread who made $278K flying only 70hrs of block a month.
Not too shabby if your able to pull that down as an FO, imagine the Cappy's are doing pretty darn good!

01-13-2017, 03:36 AM

#224

rvr1800

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Quote:

Originally Posted by full of luv

I haven't read that thread but I'd imagine it's a super senior FO that bids Check Airman lines. There's maybe 30 FO's in the entire company that can do that. They get all their trips bought off them and then pick up over top them (or never fly). Good for them but hardly a true representation of what's possible here.

01-13-2017, 05:58 AM

#225

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Originally Posted by full of luv

That's because he is a 12/13yr FO and top 5% in seat, and also one of those guys who sells back a crap ton of his PTO!

His figures are definitely not average!

01-13-2017, 06:14 AM

#226

Std Deviation

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Originally Posted by capt707

That's because he is a 12/13yr FO and top 5% in seat, and also one of those guys who sells back a crap ton of his PTO!

His figures are definitely not average!

Selling back the PTO skews the data! And who knows if that's going to be part of a CBA - or in what form.

01-13-2017, 06:17 AM

#227

Std Deviation

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Originally Posted by capt707

That's because he is a 12/13yr FO and top 5% in seat, and also one of those guys who sells back a crap ton of his PTO!

His figures are definitely not average!

And in true pilot fashion he probably sleeps in the crew lounge to avoid the cost of a crashpad/hotel, drinks only the coffee from the crew lounge, and eats a lunch of Blue Chips and Craisins to avoid buying lunch.

Pilots - a high earning career with a penchant not to spend any of it.

01-13-2017, 06:32 AM

#228

capt707

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Originally Posted by Std Deviation

Selling back the PTO skews the data! And who knows if that's going to be part of a CBA - or in what form.

Exactly! Take out PTO sellback, proft sharing, and per diem and you'll get the real numbers and you will see how far off we are from our peers.

I also never understood why people include per diem in their total compensation? Per diem is to cover expenses when traveling for work, unless you live off of blue chips to save every penny of your $2/hr lunch money.

I love when people brag about how much money they make here, but then you find out they are VDA/RSA *****s and PTO sellback people. They don't realize they have to do all of this crap to make up for our sh!tty pay and work rules while giving up their QOL. I still believe this pilot group is doomed and we won't see a solid CBA for several more years.

01-13-2017, 06:57 AM

#229

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Originally Posted by full of luv

I doubt there are many captains making more than that unless they're selling back their PTO as well and/or doing RSA/VDA. Plus they'd have to live in base or never go home.

A good general wag is to take the hourly rate and multiply it by 1,000. There will be those who make more and those who make less, but that will give you a good idea of gross earnings.

GP

01-13-2017, 12:01 PM

#230

uptpilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by capt707

That's because he is a 12/13yr FO and top 5% in seat, and also one of those guys who sells back a crap ton of his PTO!

His figures are definitely not average!

Yeah, no one at JB gets that. Here's a more realistic detail:

Year 1 - $44k Gross (then subtract out all other insurance costs, commuting costs such as crashpads, etc.)
Year 2 - $80k Gross

This is doing 72-78hrs/month.

Pay is definitely far below peers and heavily tilted towards people who live in NYC. They are really the only ones who can sit reserve at home, never fly, do RSA, VDA, day turns only, and whatever other scam they have.