GuppyPuppy

No. But non-rev privileges aren't either.

GP

CaptCoolHand

No you do not. Duties and Responsibilities.

Page 10-46 in the FOM IF YOURE A CAPT.

page 10-48 in the FOM IF YOURE AN FO.

3-23 of the pass riding guide says you are expected... not required to help clean. Read the words. The traianing guide is just that a guide. It is not the book.

Read the books.

CaptCoolHand

In fact the exact opposite.

CaptCoolHand

It says you're expected (not must, not required) to help... not how much... not how long.

I "expected" to win the lottery... well that didn't happen.

Rascal

More than once I have been called out by a FA for not cleaning so one way or another you are expected to clean. At some point that becomes a requirement because I don't want to become "that" guy. I want to be a team player and not stand out as a selfish individual.

CaptCoolHand

I have too. I used to show them the pages. Now I just smile and leave.

Who cares what some fa says to you!

Read the book.

It specifically states cleaning is NOT your problem.

Expected... is not required. ONLY WHEN NONREVING

I'll buy you a case of your favorite beer if you can find where it says any pilot must clean an aircraft as part of their duties. You can't because the FOM SAYS cleaning is NOT part of your duties as a first officer or captain. Please for the love.... read the FOM AND STOP LISTENING To the damn help in back

uptpilot

Except that BJ forced you to sign a legal document.

Allow me to quote the training from my friend's Ipad... ofwhich you checked a box at the end....
It wouldn't let you complete training without doing so...


IN THE SPIRIT OF THE INTEGRITY VALUE

I certify that :
I acknowledge that I must protect my Pass Riding privileges by
complying with all of BlueJet's rules and etiquette when pass
riding. I understand that I am responsible for communicating this
information to those who may use my pass riding privileges and
for their behavior.

[X] I Agree

So you see, all suckers have foolishly been extorted into signing a legal contract that is legally enforceable, regardless of the PEA. This merely amends it by policy.

PLEASE prove me wrong, with a lawyer... PLEASE.

CaptCoolHand

Yep and the rules and etiquette are spelled out in the pass riding guide.

Do what you believe is right.

Ted Striker

FA's know what they signed up for when becoming a FA at JetBlue. So don't feel like you are "that guy" when you don't help them do their job by cleaning the seat backs during turns. Why would you want to dumpster dive during cold and flu season, picking up crushed chips, bloody tissues, bags filled with vomit, half chewed up sandwiches, and used diapers? This to me makes no sense.

I get it, I've been that awkward guy by himself standing in the jetway while both FA's clean and the captain is digging up trash like it's free money. It's nothing personal at all. The reason flight attendants make you feel like you're "that guy" is because there are pilots who will dumpster dive, then it becomes expected from the next set of pilots. For the love of god, stop cleaning. Oh, and is there any way we can put out in the union blast mails each week a reminder to stop cleaning in uniform with passengers aboard the aircraft

Softpayman

It's not in the FOM that I must clean, it's not our job period, end of story. Pass riding is not my job, nor yours.

Some anecdote of some FA on some flight giving you grief is neither here nor there. She's not our boss, the FAA or the writer of our FOM. If fear of being "that guy" enters your head, i fear you're not capable of making responsible decisions in the cockpit. Being "that guy" is part of the job, carrying out unpopular decisions is a necessity in this business.