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Old 09-10-2020, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
I believe the problem is that Unionized pilots are going out of their way to further degrade scope. Flying an Airbus as a regional feed is a slippery slope...especially when JB pays less than AA. This will eliminate some of the highest paying jobs in the industry for a lower B-Scale airbus regional feed.
your joking right?? You can’t possibly think this. JetBlue isn’t AAs regional feed, they are continuing to fly their routes and allowing AA to sell seats on their flights. They didn’t erode scope of anyone. By the time this deal would be approved both AA and JetBlue will be paying Airbus CAs Within $4/hr with 16% DC. So you can get off your holier than thou high horse. JetBlue pilots should be more upset at AA pilots for allowing 76 seat RJs flown by regionals to compete against JetBlue 190s flown by mainline pilots with mainline benefits and wages.

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Old 09-10-2020, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
I believe the problem is that Unionized pilots are going out of their way to further degrade scope. Flying an Airbus as a regional feed is a slippery slope...especially when JB pays less than AA. This will eliminate some of the highest paying jobs in the industry for a lower B-Scale airbus regional feed.
That sure didn't take long.

Everything in your post is false. Degrade scope? You really have no idea what you're talking about, but that's obvious to anyone familiar with scope. JB pays less than AA? Ok, a rounding error on 320 rates, but larger W-2 at JB when you figure in work rules (of which AA's are abysmal). And if any jobs are "eliminated" it will be cut-rate outsourced RJ jobs--which let's circle back to your scope degradation comment.

Troll's gonna troll I guess.
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Old 09-10-2020, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 22RatW
I'm sorry but can you point to where the LOA degraded scope? No scope language was changed. They granted permission to enter a codeshare agreement during a time where when you look back 12 months, you can see that the company's block hours are reduced from last year's level. Has any company's block hours increased compared to 2019 levels? This was a one-time grant since our flying like every other company is lower than 2019 level.

So again, point to where the scope concession is?

I wish everyone the best but dividing and spewing false information isn't going to help.
To add to this, and I’ve said it before in several threads, in April of 2021, block hours will be increasing on a 12 month look back basis, and the codeshare could go through anyway. So, this will buy them a few extra months of codeshare depending on if/when it gets approved? Such a dumb post saying this is an erosion of scope. Someone needs an airline history lesson. Maybe will have some downtime at some point and can read Hard Landing and Flying the Line.
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Old 09-10-2020, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
I believe the problem is that Unionized pilots are going out of their way to further degrade scope. Flying an Airbus as a regional feed is a slippery slope...especially when JB pays less than AA. This will eliminate some of the highest paying jobs in the industry for a lower B-Scale airbus regional feed.

hahahahaha...what an ignorant statement.
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Old 09-10-2020, 07:53 AM
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Look at all those new scope busting, Envoy job-killing routes!! DoNoHarm is going to be so pssd.

Interesting adds. 2x/day on SFO-CUN seems overkill. Many of these will probably get reduced but it's a good hail mary.

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Old 09-10-2020, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
your joking right?? You can’t possibly think this. JetBlue isn’t AAs regional feed, they are continuing to fly their routes and allowing AA to sell seats on their flights. They didn’t erode scope of anyone. By the time this deal would be approved both AA and JetBlue will be paying Airbus CAs Within $4/hr with 16% DC. So you can get off your holier than thou high horse. JetBlue pilots should be more upset at AA pilots for allowing 76 seat RJs flown by regionals to compete against JetBlue 190s flown by mainline pilots with mainline benefits and wages.

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Don’t think it’s so much ego as it is butthurt that his flow (I think from PSA?) is delayed/won’t ever happen, and he sees JB as part of the reason for that. Dude’s clueless, and appears to be at a scumbag outfit that took a concessionary contract to take flying from eagle. His opinion is worth nada.
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Old 09-10-2020, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BluesClues
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here in awhile. Top end pay rate difference is less than $10/hour which is easily made up here because our contract is flat out better than AA’s in almost every QOL area. You know the parts that really matter.
You realize that your contract is close to the big 3+1 because they were all due new contracts that would of increased the difference while your contract is very new. Thank covid for keeping the gap close.

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Old 09-10-2020, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by copy
Don’t think it’s so much ego as it is butthurt that his flow (I think from PSA?) is delayed/won’t ever happen, and he sees JB as part of the reason for that. Dude’s clueless, and appears to be at a scumbag outfit that took a concessionary contract to take flying from eagle. His opinion is worth nada.
No...JetBlue is now a glorified regional for AA. Every AA forum and Facebook group is laughing at JetBlue. You went from a real airline to an airline flying legacy passengers for a lower rate on the world's largest regional aircraft.
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Old 09-10-2020, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
You realize that your contract is close to the big 3+1 because they were all due new contracts that would of increased the difference while your contract is very new. Thank covid for keeping the gap close.

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Well, when covid is in the rear-view, and you get to negotiate for your new contract, you should try for a better scope clause.
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Old 09-10-2020, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
No...JetBlue is now a glorified regional for AA. Every AA forum and Facebook group is laughing at JetBlue. You went from a real airline to an airline flying legacy passengers for a lower rate on the world's largest regional aircraft.
Damn , that sucks we aren't a real airline anymore . Oh well , as long as these real direct deposits keep hitting my bank account, every 8th and 20th of the month , I could care less .
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