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Old 08-29-2020, 05:40 PM
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You think a merger with JB pilots will be a freight train when your side will bring a BK contract to the table and likely have 30-50% of your pilots on the street by that point??? Against a pilot group with a much better contract and no pilots on the street???

Sounds more like a baby kitten than a freight train, but you do you.

One of the major problems AA has in chapter 11 is most of their debt is held against aircraft. They can't shed the debt without shedding new airframes, and that will only necessitate shedding more pilots!

Meeeooowwww.

You are right on every point. However, we have wide bodies and the associated pay scales, that will interest a few of you. I want no part of a merger, but that’s the only way I believe my company survives. That sli will make west-East look like a sorority pillow fight.


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Old 08-29-2020, 05:57 PM
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You are right on every point. However, we have wide bodies and the associated pay scales, that will interest a few of you. I want no part of a merger, but that’s the only way I believe my company survives. That sli will make west-East look like a sorority pillow fight.


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HAD widebodies. (Kidding)
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Old 08-29-2020, 05:58 PM
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You are right on every point. However, we have wide bodies and the associated pay scales, that will interest a few of you. I want no part of a merger, but that’s the only way I believe my company survives. That sli will make west-East look like a sorority pillow fight.


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let’s just hope this doesn’t happen. I’m throwing up in my mouth thinking about it. Nothing against AA pilots but eww...
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Old 08-29-2020, 05:59 PM
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Why would jetblue’s board want anything to do with AA in the event they’ve been through BK. Wouldn’t jetblue just grow organically rather than take on a business model which is much different than what’s in place already. Not to mention the integration nightmare and drawn out associated costs that come with it + whatever debt is left over. You’d be taking on massive hubs which use droves of regional feed to supply widebody flights, which we don’t do. After this shakes out, aircraft will be much easier to acquire. Seems to be a plethora of pilots scattered around from furloughs. I’m sure gate space will open up around various airports from pullbacks. It just doesn’t add up to me. Just because it creates a bigger airline doesn’t necessarily mean it will produce the best shareholder return. I think it would be a different story if this drags on into 2022 and airlines can’t file bk fast enough. Then it’s a find a dancing partner time for everyone or be squeezed out.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You think a merger with JB pilots will be a freight train when your side will bring a BK contract to the table and likely have 30-50% of your pilots on the street by that point??? Against a pilot group with a much better contract and no pilots on the street???

Sounds more like a baby kitten than a freight train, but you do you.

One of the major problems AA has in chapter 11 is most of their debt is held against aircraft. They can't shed the debt without shedding new airframes, and that will only necessitate shedding more pilots!

Meeeooowwww.

You’re not understanding my point. All the points you and others are making about AA will now be YOUR problems too. That has no bearing on where you sit on a list or what contract you bring to the table.
That’s the freight train.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
You’re not understanding my point. All the points you and others are making about AA will now be YOUR problems too. That has no bearing on where you sit on a list or what contract you bring to the table.
That’s the freight train.
Ok, that point wasn't made clear.

At this point, I'm not seeing a JB+AA merger. But that could change and frankly I hope it doesn't happen.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Again, exactly what I was saying. I was purposefully overestimating. Concessions do not save the company or more specifically, they do not save you.

Good luck to us all.

Six weeks later and you’re still here. You’re obviously not welcome here and your vendetta against JetBlue is pretty strange.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
You are right on every point. However, we have wide bodies and the associated pay scales, that will interest a few of you. I want no part of a merger, but that’s the only way I believe my company survives. That sli will make west-East look like a sorority pillow fight.


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Wide body aircraft certainly were valued by many pilots previously. Now they will be viewed as a double edged sword. Yes higher pay, but also make a company vulnerable when they make up a large proportion of a company. Like it or not, COVID19 likely changed the way humans/countries view pandemics. It's very possible that countries go into lockdown (with respect to international travel) much sooner when a new virus starts to circulate. United is hurt very badly by this pandemic because they have a disproportionately large international fleet. Before Covid, that was an attractive quality, now it is, and it isn't.

Fortunately I do not yet see an AA+JB merger and hope it stays that way with the current known knowns.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
You’re not understanding my point. All the points you and others are making about AA will now be YOUR problems too. That has no bearing on where you sit on a list or what contract you bring to the table.
That’s the freight train.
Sorry, your dream of becoming a JB pilot will not be realized through a merger. You’ll have to apply like everyone else.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Wide body aircraft certainly were valued by many pilots previously. Now they will be viewed as a double edged sword. Yes higher pay, but also make a company vulnerable when they make up a large proportion of a company. Like it or not, COVID19 likely changed the way humans/countries view pandemics. It's very possible that countries go into lockdown (with respect to international travel) much sooner when a new virus starts to circulate. United is hurt very badly by this pandemic because they have a disproportionately large international fleet. Before Covid, that was an attractive quality, now it is, and it isn't.

Fortunately I do not yet see an AA+JB merger and hope it stays that way with the current known knowns.
Airbus agrees with you. They’re going full steam ahead now with the A321XLR as they see a lucrative product post-Covid world. American Airlines just so happens to have to have the largest order of the XLR. The amount of wide body positions after the recovery will be a lot smaller than it is now.
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