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This. Europe will be a 1-2 day qual just like LAQT.

My prediction is A220 will be on there in a small number (100-120 or so by EOY 2021), 190 category will shrink in JFK and BOS, bus FO will grow absorbing some 190 CAs and FOs, bus CA will stay about the same, and Europe may come in a supplemental bid because there is too much unknown right now with regard to travel restrictions, demand, etc. London is happening, but getting the timing right on a system bid this far out in a very dynamic situation is tough.

feltf4

im not sure if 320 euro will be withheld from system bid. Like someone else said if it’s not there well then we aren’t serious about it. They still need to plan on it and last I know we were going some time in 2021? So I’m sure that it will be there. I thought that system bid was kind of like the monthly bid. If they are projecting it they have to put in on there? I could be wrong

SaintNick

before jb loa. The over all goal of most of the airlines I was talking to was work less not for less. And our union just saved the bottom 500-1000 guys 7 more months of pay. For not having to be on short call in nyc aka Covid city 2 extra days a month.

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We didn’t have a 5 hour give per seat. Lineholder guarantee stayed the same at 70. ALV dropped from 74 to 70 or below. So you can make an argument that there was a 4 hour give, but the problem with that argument is 1) ALV isn’t a guarantee, and 2) our furlough mitigation language allows ALV to be dropped and doesn’t require member ratification (unlike guarantee).

Line holders will likely be getting 40-60 hour lines, so working 10-12 days, and can pick up as much open time as they want, all over their 70 hour guarantee. So depending on how much open time there is and what the actual ALVs end up being, line holders will be able to credit more and work even less than before. The difference between guarantee and their line value is free money/credit.

So in short, you need to use maybe 20-30% max of the pilots taking a 5 hour pay cut (reserve). Also, we aren’t anywhere near maxed on our pay scales. 1000 FOs have been hired in the last 4.5 years. I’d guess you’d be more accurate if you used year 6 pay rates for the avg FO. You can maybe max the CAs out for your calcs, but we have a quite a few 4-11 year CAs as well.

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We are serious about it, but timing it will be tough. I cannot find any requirement to post a projected vacancy in a system bid like there is for known flying other than under supplemental bid it says “should an unforeseen change in the system schedule warrant a change in staffing, crew planning may post a supplemental system bid at any time.” You can argue that London is not “unforeseen,” but I don’t think the company would have trouble arguing that the schedule to London is unforeseen or uncertain given that it’s already been pushed back and with the current travel demand uncertainty. Also, supplemental bids are advantageous to the pilot group, so it’d probably be no skin off ALPA’s back if they did that.

If it isn’t on the system bid, I wouldn’t read into that as us being not serious about it. We wouldn’t have firm orders for LR/XLRs, pay for a contractor to set up ETOPS, have all the public fanfare, etc. imo.

RiddleEagle18

Your missing the point. It’s not about saving the company $$. It’s about the need for more pilots. If every rsv is working 2 less days a month we need more pilots to cover the required staffing. The company will only ever keep the number of pilots it needs regardless of how much they cost.

Our rsv days are worth 4:12. We traded 2 additional days off for 5 hours of pay. We actually came out ahead and increased the total staffing need.


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localizer

How about the 220 going junior or senior? Is there interest from the more senior 190/bus guys to learn that airplane?

Desdi

In reality a few hours of ground school and a short sim.

nuball5

Its a 5% paycut, so I don’t think there will be a large number of A320 guys willing to try it out just to learn something different. Combine that with the fact that there’s zero information so far what the schedules will initially look like on the A220 fleet, or where your seniority might lie. If you’re junior you might think the risk is worth it. Someone senior and already making me more money on the A320, might not think that risk is worth it....and again it’s a small paycut if you hold the same seat. Just my guess.

Blue Dude

It's about a 4% cut for A320 captains, or about 3 hrs of flying per month above min guarantee to make up the difference if you want to look at it that way. Depending on base and schedule, you may find some A320 captains make the jump for QOL reasons. I'd consider it. Initially I'd expect it to go mostly to current E190 pilots from the same base.