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Old 06-04-2019, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Then only do your job of flying the plane. Don’t go above and beyond getting that plane into the air. When you do crew services job by calling 5 hours early to let them know you are going to go over fdp, or to let them know what ever else you are hurting yourself. When you keep doing maintenance job by calling and calling to get them to the plane you are hurting yourself. When you have to call for gas 5 times even though they know the plane can’t fly without it, you are hurting yourself. When you call about a deadhead you were supposed to have a ticket for and they never booked it for you, you are hurting yourself. If you stop doing everyone else’s job the place falls apart. Then the place will be forced to grow up and become an airline that can take care of itself. Your life will be about flying the plane safely from points A-B. It’s not a hard concept to understand.
Well, since I do none of the above, I reckon I'm doing just fine. Good examples, BTW.
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Old 06-04-2019, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Well, since I do none of the above, I reckon I'm doing just fine. Good examples, BTW.
Then where are you going above and beyond when our inept management fails us over and over like you said. What ever you come up with, just stop then.
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Old 06-04-2019, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Then where are you going above and beyond when our inept management fails us over and over like you said. What ever you come up with, just stop then.
To which of my posts do you refer?
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 360kias
to which of my posts do you refer?
8058 & 8057
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
And BECAUSE we are professionals, and good at what we do, we will continue to make it work.
Every airline has the same crop of pilots. It’s all in the CBA in black and white—how much do we get paid to do what?

It’s good to have pride in what you do, but make no mistake: you are a cog in the machine. Any Allegiant, Delta, or Spirit guy can do exactly what you do. But how well are they remunerated for it, and how much do they suffer to get that money? Appealing to emotion (“we’re professionals, the company can depend on us”) is an error in logic, IMO. You are paid to do one job only: safely get from A to B, exactly what is on your schedule. Anything you do outside of that is a free gift to the shareholders.

Mind you, I don’t condemn anyone who goes above and beyond—I appreciate it, sometimes. But I have a low tolerance for bull$hit in this kind of conversation.
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by likeitis
To pile on, stop doing the FA’s job. If they need catering, water, lube, whatever, tell them they are allowed to get off the plane and use the phone in the jetway. That, as I’m told, is how it is suppose be done via their manual. Each time they interrupt us is another hole in the cheese. I’ve closed the door plenty of times on yappy FA’s.
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Close and lock the door during preflight. It'll be easier to ignore the drama in the back.
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
To which of my posts do you refer?
All of them. You sound like a first year regional FO. Its good to be positive, just face facts about the "management" at B6 and where our job ends. We should not have to adapt to ineptitude, we should critique it vehemently.
When you upgrade and you're here a few more months, you may see how silly your constant rationalization sounds.
Good luck with that.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
All of them. You sound like a first year regional FO. Its good to be positive, just face facts about the "management" at B6 and where our job ends. We should not have to adapt to ineptitude, we should critique it vehemently.
When you upgrade and you're here a few more months, you may see how silly your constant rationalization sounds.
Good luck with that.
Soooooo true Bozo.
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
8058 & 8057
Best read them again then, because only one is mine, and I did not say that. Those are your words. I said our pilot group can overcome obstacles thrown at us. Which we all do on a regular basis.
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
All of them. You sound like a first year regional FO. Its good to be positive, just face facts about the "management" at B6 and where our job ends. We should not have to adapt to ineptitude, we should critique it vehemently.
When you upgrade and you're here a few more months, you may see how silly your constant rationalization sounds.
Good luck with that.
I'm very clear on what my job is, and I do it well. I don't rationalize anything that management does poorly. Show me where I have done that, and I'd be happy to discuss it with you.
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