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07-18-2018, 01:16 PM
#6971
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Scope = market rate
Vacation (even though you didn't mention it) = slightly below market rate. But it's at least close.
Work rules? Again not even close. Huge gaping loopholes throughout. Airports standby, complete lack of a commuter clause, dependibility driven pilot pushing, and on and on.
Retirement? Only if you retire at 65. Massively, massively, massively below market rate if you retire before that.
Pay (again one you ignore)? Do I need to even go there?
Vacation (even though you didn't mention it) = slightly below market rate. But it's at least close.
Work rules? Again not even close. Huge gaping loopholes throughout. Airports standby, complete lack of a commuter clause, dependibility driven pilot pushing, and on and on.
Retirement? Only if you retire at 65. Massively, massively, massively below market rate if you retire before that.
Pay (again one you ignore)? Do I need to even go there?
07-18-2018, 02:37 PM
#6973
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07-18-2018, 02:55 PM
#6974
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Posts: 1,473
07-18-2018, 04:40 PM
#6975
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
On hold for 2 more hours? Better not go home or you are subject to disciplinary action. This kind of crap is littered throughout the TA if you actually read it and stop letting B6ALPA sell you a bill of goods.
07-18-2018, 05:01 PM
#6976
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Since the facts don't work for you now we are just going to deny that they exist hoping people don't read it?
It's spelled out on page 173-174 of the TA.
07-18-2018, 05:57 PM
#6977
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
07-18-2018, 06:09 PM
#6978
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Indeed, except:
1. We never agreed to it, and it is below industry standard. Like much of the below standard stuff in this TA we have it now doesn't make it OK. *cough*Dependability policy in the commuter section. *cough*
2. We don't have to make positive contact with them right now, we just have to make the attempt. This is a huge give. How often do they "lose" you during IROPs? If you call and record it you can go home. Odds are they won't call you. Under this TA, they have to release you, and it's up to you to contact them! So, after being at the airport, sitting on hold, and hopefully getting ahold of someone you can finally go home... Maybe.
Add in the fact that literally everyone else they canceled will be on hold with you.
"Industry standard work rules!"
1. We never agreed to it, and it is below industry standard. Like much of the below standard stuff in this TA we have it now doesn't make it OK. *cough*Dependability policy in the commuter section. *cough*
2. We don't have to make positive contact with them right now, we just have to make the attempt. This is a huge give. How often do they "lose" you during IROPs? If you call and record it you can go home. Odds are they won't call you. Under this TA, they have to release you, and it's up to you to contact them! So, after being at the airport, sitting on hold, and hopefully getting ahold of someone you can finally go home... Maybe.
Add in the fact that literally everyone else they canceled will be on hold with you.
"Industry standard work rules!"
07-18-2018, 06:50 PM
#6979
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Re read it. If your flight is canceled during an IROP, you as a line holder must sit Airport standby for up to 4 hours. After your 4 hour sit THE PILOT must make positive contact with CS in order to be released.
On hold for 2 more hours? Better not go home or you are subject to disciplinary action. This kind of crap is littered throughout the TA if you actually read it and stop letting B6ALPA sell you a bill of goods.
On hold for 2 more hours? Better not go home or you are subject to disciplinary action. This kind of crap is littered throughout the TA if you actually read it and stop letting B6ALPA sell you a bill of goods.
07-18-2018, 06:57 PM
#6980
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,122
It’s up to 4 hours depending on # of cancelations, if they’re going to pay protect me I’ll drink coffee for a bit while they get their crap together. I knew that positive contact was in the que so it’s better than it was. This is pretty standard.
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