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05-15-2018, 05:41 PM
#6321
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: FO
Posts: 435
Doesn't the PEA reference and authorize other documents (FOM, Bluebook, FSM)?
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05-15-2018, 08:06 PM
#6322
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Absolutely not! That's why I mentioned the PEA. It's a failure on many grounds including that it externally references another document that could be changed at any point.
My point in bringing all of this up is that we should ensure any contract proposal does not include external references or leave any condition unaddressed. As I have said before, the contract needs to include language that excludes us from mandatory compliance unless it has been specifically authorized by an 85% majority vote or greater. It must also allow for denial of any new policy without negative repercussion or passive aggressive retribution such as losing your commuter privileges.
In other words, unless it's specifically described in the contract, then it doesn't exist to us. That way, when they start requiring pass riders to clean the toilet, they will not have the authority to stealth modify our contract.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
My point in bringing all of this up is that we should ensure any contract proposal does not include external references or leave any condition unaddressed. As I have said before, the contract needs to include language that excludes us from mandatory compliance unless it has been specifically authorized by an 85% majority vote or greater. It must also allow for denial of any new policy without negative repercussion or passive aggressive retribution such as losing your commuter privileges.
In other words, unless it's specifically described in the contract, then it doesn't exist to us. That way, when they start requiring pass riders to clean the toilet, they will not have the authority to stealth modify our contract.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-16-2018, 05:04 PM
#6323
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 71
Is that a legal definition or a marketing buzzword? Is it an insurance standard (e.g. like Wyvern)?
e.g. car vs light truck (buzzwords: SUV, crossover)
The reason that I ask is because unless it's a legal classification, I would challenge their fictional nomenclature if it's used to negotiate pay or work rules.
BJ loves to make up words for stuff:
- Flight vs. inflight, pilots vs. FAs
- Mint vs 1st class
I don't want them ever saying they don't have first class and thus don't compare to Delta, AA, United.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
e.g. car vs light truck (buzzwords: SUV, crossover)
The reason that I ask is because unless it's a legal classification, I would challenge their fictional nomenclature if it's used to negotiate pay or work rules.
BJ loves to make up words for stuff:
- Flight vs. inflight, pilots vs. FAs
- Mint vs 1st class
I don't want them ever saying they don't have first class and thus don't compare to Delta, AA, United.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-16-2018, 05:19 PM
#6324
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,918
Guys I support your pilot group fully in your struggle for market rate compensation. I made my insignificant point in response to a comment which posed the question “what is an LCC anyway?” in the context of ticket cost LCC vs legacy carrier. No big whoop. My comment contributed zero and this one is not much better, but just didn’t want to offend. Peace
No offense taken.
05-16-2018, 05:29 PM
#6325
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Guys I support your pilot group fully in your struggle for market rate compensation. I made my insignificant point in response to a comment which posed the question “what is an LCC anyway?” in the context of ticket cost LCC vs legacy carrier. No big whoop. My comment contributed zero and this one is not much better, but just didn’t want to offend. Peace
05-17-2018, 07:36 AM
#6327
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Guys I support your pilot group fully in your struggle for market rate compensation. I made my insignificant point in response to a comment which posed the question “what is an LCC anyway?” in the context of ticket cost LCC vs legacy carrier. No big whoop. My comment contributed zero and this one is not much better, but just didn’t want to offend. Peace
Facts don't care about your feelings.
You put the concept of LCC classification in at least one more person's head and we should be thankful for your contribution to the collective thought process.
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05-17-2018, 05:19 PM
#6329
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
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