JetBlue Latest and Greatest
05-14-2018, 08:00 PM
#6301
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
1. Laws most assuredly do not change overnight. There's a whole legislative process for that. Remember the song? Even laws that are invalidated as being unconstitutional do not change overnight. For example: Arkansas had segregated schools well into the 70's; 20 years after Brown v. Board of Education.
Besides, what is the alternative? Do nothing?
How long has the RLA been around? 40-50 years? Will 100 years without amendment still be acceptable?
I'm not saying amending the RLA will be "easy", but I'm saying that anything is possible provided we care enough. Imagine if ALPA was as effective as the NRA or defenders of Planned Parenthood in political circles? Certainly there are hundreds of contemporary examples of organizations that have played politics to get their political objectives met.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-15-2018, 03:33 AM
#6302
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
It's only because Robin is under pressure. We should seize the moment by not accepting compromises.
We will be pressure with a semi-sweet deal but still below respectable standards. Most of the jellyfish here will cave in. The important thing is to accept full nuclear disarmament or to engage in full scale diplomatic sanctions until we get what we want.
Like someone said, "you can have pay, or work rules, but not both".
Don't accept false choices. If you push hard enough you can get it all. The industry is at a great point - if you can't get it now, you never will.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
We will be pressure with a semi-sweet deal but still below respectable standards. Most of the jellyfish here will cave in. The important thing is to accept full nuclear disarmament or to engage in full scale diplomatic sanctions until we get what we want.
Like someone said, "you can have pay, or work rules, but not both".
Don't accept false choices. If you push hard enough you can get it all. The industry is at a great point - if you can't get it now, you never will.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-15-2018, 08:35 AM
#6303
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
From our favorite JBLU investor/pumper/blogger
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Lol. “Offsetting productivity increases” with “$258...max increase JB would have to absorb.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Assessing the cost headwind
JetBlue's management has promised investors that non-fuel unit costs will rise no more than 1% annually from 2018 to 2020, driven by a structural cost program it is implementing. Many investors seem to doubt that the carrier can achieve this target, largely due to the expected increase in its pilot costs.
That said, JetBlue has voluntarily raised its pilot wages several times in the past few years, so it won't have to absorb a massive increase over the next year. Southwest Airlines, which has the highest pay rates of any low-cost carrier, has a top-of-scale wage of $258 per hour: 18% higher than the $219 per hour top-of-scale wage for JetBlue's Airbus pilots. The difference in the Southwest and JetBlue pay scales varies based on experience level, but averages about 20%.
This likely represents the maximum increase that JetBlue would have to absorb. There could also be offsetting productivity improvements included in the contract.
JetBlue's management has promised investors that non-fuel unit costs will rise no more than 1% annually from 2018 to 2020, driven by a structural cost program it is implementing. Many investors seem to doubt that the carrier can achieve this target, largely due to the expected increase in its pilot costs.
That said, JetBlue has voluntarily raised its pilot wages several times in the past few years, so it won't have to absorb a massive increase over the next year. Southwest Airlines, which has the highest pay rates of any low-cost carrier, has a top-of-scale wage of $258 per hour: 18% higher than the $219 per hour top-of-scale wage for JetBlue's Airbus pilots. The difference in the Southwest and JetBlue pay scales varies based on experience level, but averages about 20%.
This likely represents the maximum increase that JetBlue would have to absorb. There could also be offsetting productivity improvements included in the contract.
05-15-2018, 08:55 AM
#6304
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
From our favorite JBLU investor/pumper/blogger
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Lol. “Offsetting productivity increases” with “$258...max increase JB would have to absorb.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Lol. “Offsetting productivity increases” with “$258...max increase JB would have to absorb.”
05-15-2018, 10:30 AM
#6306
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
From our favorite JBLU investor/pumper/blogger
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Lol. “Offsetting productivity increases” with “$258...max increase JB would have to absorb.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetbl...111000892.html
Lol. “Offsetting productivity increases” with “$258...max increase JB would have to absorb.”
How dare these people define the language of thought!
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-15-2018, 11:41 AM
#6307
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Why do we allow them to group us into the LCC nomenclature? Don't we yield 3x the profit of AA while having prices that range from Spirit to Delta? Don't we fly to Peru? Isn't our first class competing directly with the legacy 3 carriers? What they ought to be talking about is how this contract will not be like any other. This contract will redefine all the expectations of what a contract should look like. It will blow away all your preconceived notions.
How dare these people define the language of thought!
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
How dare these people define the language of thought!
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-15-2018, 12:05 PM
#6308
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 71
This is a good point. What is an LCC anyway? B6 and SWA charges MORE for coach seats than the big 3 on some routes. There is one term that applies. "Airline." Jetblue is the size NWA, US air, and DAL were not that long ago before consolidation. Did those pilots argue about the companies not being able to afford their high pay because they were "small"?
05-15-2018, 12:37 PM
#6309
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: FO
Posts: 435
Do you really think your NC/MEC would send you anything with the words “In accordance with [insert company controlled document]”? I’m not saying they’ll fix the cleaning problem, but I doubt they’ll leave anything as vague as that.
05-15-2018, 12:37 PM
#6310
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
They will no longer be shorting the Buck Rogers in the cockpit 20% either.
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