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01-27-2018, 02:46 PM
#5371
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
From the call:
Jamie Baker
At JPMorgan, good morning, everybody. A question on the pilots, I mean, we have a new contract at Alaska, albeit an arbitrated one. We have an agreement in principle with Spirit. It kind of feels like we know where the market is for aviator wages at least for the more growth oriented airlines like JetBlue, obviously. So would I be mistaken then to assume that you're in the final stretch and we should be modeling for new contract this year?
Robin Hayes
Hi, Jamie. Good morning, I’ll take that. I'm not – I won't – we're not going to sort of negotiate in public. We've already gave much indication of where we are, just to say that ports continued under mediation. I think the both sides are working through the process. We're working – we've very good faith, in fact, there were discussions going on this week.
And I'm very – we all are – we are very proud of the JetBlue pilot air community. But the difference between where we are and the other airlines is that this is our first contract. This is something that we are building from scratch and so it's not just a question of sort of amending a contract and looking at – its actually every single page has to be…
Jamie Baker
Okay.
Positive or just corporate speak?
Jamie Baker
At JPMorgan, good morning, everybody. A question on the pilots, I mean, we have a new contract at Alaska, albeit an arbitrated one. We have an agreement in principle with Spirit. It kind of feels like we know where the market is for aviator wages at least for the more growth oriented airlines like JetBlue, obviously. So would I be mistaken then to assume that you're in the final stretch and we should be modeling for new contract this year?
Robin Hayes
Hi, Jamie. Good morning, I’ll take that. I'm not – I won't – we're not going to sort of negotiate in public. We've already gave much indication of where we are, just to say that ports continued under mediation. I think the both sides are working through the process. We're working – we've very good faith, in fact, there were discussions going on this week.
And I'm very – we all are – we are very proud of the JetBlue pilot air community. But the difference between where we are and the other airlines is that this is our first contract. This is something that we are building from scratch and so it's not just a question of sort of amending a contract and looking at – its actually every single page has to be…
Jamie Baker
Okay.
Positive or just corporate speak?
This is 110% corporate double-talk and mind control. They are doing an excellent job of mind-screwing because many people still have sympathy for their corporate overlords who continue to screw them over.
So, there is absolutely nothing positive about it. In fact, you should not think anything positive until after a respectable contract is *signed*. They have had years and years of making wide profit margins at the expense of stealing deserved wages from pilots (not to mention other employees).
"Good will", "very good faith", "proud of pilots" -- yeah yeah.... There's no such pleasantries in the way BJ does business. You should see the way they persecute pilots. They hate pilots. Anyone remember "3A"? It seems the pilot group was right but a kangaroo court ruled in favor of BJ. This is business, not love play. They hate pilots. "building from scratch" - no they're not. There are many drag and drop contracts in the industry. We're not doing anything different than anyone else. Are we going to the moon in spaceships? How is it that it took engineers and scientists less time to figure out how to land mankind on the moon than it has to finish a simple airline contract?
BJ can "talk" all they want but only results matter.
Look guys, every minute you spend waiting for a contract, BJ lines their pockets and executives' golden parachutes. You are missing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars across your career.The most responsible thing BJ could do right now is pay their pilots what they are worth by industry standards while providing work rules (contract) commensurate the profession.
Remember, if it's not a signed contract, it's smoke and mirrors.
01-27-2018, 02:57 PM
#5372
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
I know that people are critical of non-lanyard wearers, as am I, but...
You lanyard wearers also better not be part of the problem by saying yes to any substandard contract that compromises in any way. If ALPA tells you "it's the best we can get", vote NO. If ALPA compromises, FIRE THEM. We can always get more effective people.
YOU have all the power.
Don't ever forget that YOU are the heroes every time you fly. You are professionals who save lives. Robin nor any of the corporate stooges never did anything for humanity. They ONLY care about their paychecks and golden parachutes.
You lanyard wearers also better not be part of the problem by saying yes to any substandard contract that compromises in any way. If ALPA tells you "it's the best we can get", vote NO. If ALPA compromises, FIRE THEM. We can always get more effective people.
YOU have all the power.
Don't ever forget that YOU are the heroes every time you fly. You are professionals who save lives. Robin nor any of the corporate stooges never did anything for humanity. They ONLY care about their paychecks and golden parachutes.
01-27-2018, 06:16 PM
#5373
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
From the call:
Jamie Baker
At JPMorgan, good morning, everybody. A question on the pilots, I mean, we have a new contract at Alaska, albeit an arbitrated one. We have an agreement in principle with Spirit. It kind of feels like we know where the market is for aviator wages at least for the more growth oriented airlines like JetBlue, obviously. So would I be mistaken then to assume that you're in the final stretch and we should be modeling for new contract this year?
Robin Hayes
Hi, Jamie. Good morning, I’ll take that. I'm not – I won't – we're not going to sort of negotiate in public. We've already gave much indication of where we are, just to say that ports continued under mediation. I think the both sides are working through the process. We're working – we've very good faith, in fact, there were discussions going on this week.
And I'm very – we all are – we are very proud of the JetBlue pilot air community. But the difference between where we are and the other airlines is that this is our first contract. This is something that we are building from scratch and so it's not just a question of sort of amending a contract and looking at – its actually every single page has to be…
Jamie Baker
Okay.
Positive or just corporate speak?
Jamie Baker
At JPMorgan, good morning, everybody. A question on the pilots, I mean, we have a new contract at Alaska, albeit an arbitrated one. We have an agreement in principle with Spirit. It kind of feels like we know where the market is for aviator wages at least for the more growth oriented airlines like JetBlue, obviously. So would I be mistaken then to assume that you're in the final stretch and we should be modeling for new contract this year?
Robin Hayes
Hi, Jamie. Good morning, I’ll take that. I'm not – I won't – we're not going to sort of negotiate in public. We've already gave much indication of where we are, just to say that ports continued under mediation. I think the both sides are working through the process. We're working – we've very good faith, in fact, there were discussions going on this week.
And I'm very – we all are – we are very proud of the JetBlue pilot air community. But the difference between where we are and the other airlines is that this is our first contract. This is something that we are building from scratch and so it's not just a question of sort of amending a contract and looking at – its actually every single page has to be…
Jamie Baker
Okay.
Positive or just corporate speak?
01-27-2018, 07:05 PM
#5374
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2012
Position: 75CA
Posts: 82
Former JB pilot working for another ALPA carrier and wanted to join you all on the 31st. I was told thanks but not this time.... Had a mini reunion setup with my fellow 2012 hires but that will happen without my going to the picketing.... Good luck guys you deserve better
01-27-2018, 07:24 PM
#5375
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 162
JetBlue Latest and Greatest
Dysfunctional brain washing is the best summary of this thread. Some of you might want to watch some esteemed televangelists on Sundays and send them money because God wants them to fly in private jets. Now get back to your cleaning of the seatbacks. 
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01-28-2018, 04:53 AM
#5376
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Former JB pilot working for another ALPA carrier and wanted to join you all on the 31st. I was told thanks but not this time.... Had a mini reunion setup with my fellow 2012 hires but that will happen without my going to the picketing.... Good luck guys you deserve better
01-28-2018, 07:26 AM
#5379
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
JetBlue Latest and Greatest
Yeah. I know. That's my point. Before unions, concepts like seniority didn't exist. At my previous company, they started an airline in Vietnam that wasn't under ALPA. They upgraded based on merit, and part of what determined merit was the FOQA data.
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01-28-2018, 07:31 AM
#5380
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
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