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Old 01-09-2018, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
This is a thread on BP right now actually. I believe the changeover occurred on 1/1/2018. This is a new interpretation of the PEA. I suggest you join the growing number of pilots and file a PDR on the ALPA site for the impending grievance.

But before you do that you have to email your chief pilot and try to get it resolved that way first. If you don’t get it resolved it moves to the next step in the grievance process.
Thanks man, I just found out from an LEC guy.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:05 AM
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Spirit has an AIP.

Will spirit pilots be better paid than us?
Frontier will likely be next.

As much as I hate the idea of potentially being the lowest paid A-320 operator, this will only make our bargaining position stronger.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Spirit has an AIP.

Will spirit pilots be better paid than us?
Frontier will likely be next.

As much as I hate the idea of potentially being the lowest paid A-320 operator, this will only make our bargaining position stronger.
I hope spirit gets a market rate delta contract. It raises the bar and makes us lower on the totem poll for any interested applicants. This could potentially be yuuuge for us.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I hope spirit gets a market rate delta contract. It raises the bar and makes us lower on the totem poll for any interested applicants. This could potentially be yuuuge for us.
unless you live near JFK or Boston/NH, I see no reason to apply to JB at this time.

edit: Unless your spouse works as a dentist and you want to be their exclusive blue glove supplier to keep business costs down.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:25 AM
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unless you live near JFK or Boston/NH, I see no reason to apply to JB at this time.

edit: Unless your spouse works as a dentist and you want to be their exclusive blue glove supplier to keep business costs down.
All other things being equal....don't you think JB is an overall better company than Spirit?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
All other things being equal....don't you think JB is an overall better company than Spirit?
I'm not sure what the things are you are making equal.
I don't equate better product to better job. I used to work at NetJets - one of the best products on the planet but it wasn't a very good job.

We'll see what the Spirit AIG has in it and compare it to JBs current compensation and work rules. I won't speculate on what our "future contract" will have.

It is within 99% certainty that whatever is in the Spirit AIG will put it ahead of JB in almost every regard.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
All other things being equal....don't you think JB is an overall better company than Spirit?
I used to. Now I realize mgmt really has no idea what they are doing. This place is RUDDERLESS!

Either we are being bought or

This is the new normal. Total incompetence at every level.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
All other things being equal....don't you think JB is an overall better company than Spirit?
Maybe a better company to fly on as a customer...but assuming that Spirit's AIP is near market rate, then absolutely not. I also don't see Jetblue in any rush to push a contract through, hope I'm wrong.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:50 AM
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All other things being equal....don't you think JB is an overall better company than Spirit?
depends on our next contract.....
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coopervane
I used to. Now I realize mgmt really has no idea what they are doing. This place is RUDDERLESS!

Either we are being bought or

This is the new normal. Total incompetence at every level.
Dilly Dilly.

I've come to the realization that we could all do a new CrAAndle crawl ( JB version - 4 engine taxi: engines, apu, and RAT) but it wouldn't make a difference. The problem is much deeper than "greedy" pilot's. We could have a contract tomorrow and it wouldn't change a thing how this company is run.

When the gate agent showed up last night (at posted boarding time- she knew it was delayed, but all boards indicated "on-time") all I heard was that she hadn't had a break all day. Crews around the gate area discussing how CS screwed up their schedule last week during the storm...try fixing that. ( sure I'm on here spouting about it, but that's slightly different than at the gate)

I'm not going to say this place is a _______( Haiti or other African nations- man's an idiot) , but RUDDERLESS is good.
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