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Old 11-25-2017, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Well, with our company wide s#*t pay rates we would have great margins on any route we fly.

Make no mistake, our margins are fat because our whole employee force is underpaid, not because our company is efficient in any way.
Or that Management has a real plan to drive RASM premium from our "brand", or routes or frequency or anything other than driving every gram of cost from the operation.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
We are also the most productive.

Awesome.

Lets throw and "We are the Most Productive Party" and celebrate our most productiveness and high marginess.

Oh wait ... can't get the time off since we have no work rules.

Scratch 98% of the pilot group off the invite list.

Please have management post pictures of the party on HelloJetblue under 'thanks for all you do we really appreciate it'

They do!

We have high margins and we are the most productive.

We are so b'itchen!!

Nice misinterpretation as always.

The point was the company is in very good financial shape.
I feel better in meditation asking for an industry standard contract with a company that is in good financial shape and sitting there with the some of the highest margins vs not. Makes it a little easier as obviously the company can afford it.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Can’t expand into new regions while adding frequency on current profitable routes.
You are correct our management can't possibly walk and chew gum unless its in Cuba.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
Robin said to not expect the new MINT routes to preform as well as the first MINT routes.

Then Marty said there is no plan for a 60, 80 or 100 (Mint) airplanes.

IOW, for the slow crowd were running out of places to fly it. Not tomorrow but within a few short years domestically we would have shot our Mint wad.

You know what mint was designed to do. They never said it would be on every market so yes at some point as you do wonderfully worded it we will shoot our mint load. But that doesn’t mean mint hasn’t been a huge success and changed our trans con profits.

Now I notice you said domestically, how about international which is where this is all going.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
You know what mint was designed to do. They never said it would be on every market so yes at some point as you do wonderfully worded it we will shoot our mint load. But that doesn’t mean mint hasn’t been a huge success and changed our trans con profits.

Now I notice you said domestically, how about international which is where this is all going.
Mint is about 4 years old. How long do we celebrate this victory without further innovation or expansion?
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
You know what mint was designed to do. They never said it would be on every market so yes at some point as you do wonderfully worded it we will shoot our mint load. But that doesn’t mean mint hasn’t been a huge success and changed our trans con profits.

Now I notice you said domestically, how about international which is where this is all going.
So it is running out of steam.

Check.

We can also expand Mint into low earth orbit.

We don't do that and we don't fly across the pond either.

I understand the rumor. But it is just that! Should we start a "what rumor have you heard at Jetblue in the past two decades?"

I bet it would be more than 476 pages.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
You are correct our management can't possibly walk and chew gum unless its in Cuba.
Well they can’t make airplanes magically appear faster than they can be produced and delivered.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
So it is running out of steam.

Check.

We can also expand Mint into low earth orbit.

We don't do that and we don't fly across the pond either.

I understand the rumor. But it is just that! Should we start a "what rumor have you heard at Jetblue in the past two decades?"

I bet it would be more than 476 pages.

No we are still adding mint flights so it’s not running out of steam but there will be a day that all of the domestic mint markets have been mined. I don’t think this is a shock to management actually they pretty much said this, as it’s a very specific product. But it will still be making money for us.

No we don’t fly over the pond yet or maybe ever but if we did I’m pretty sure mint would do very well.

Look I get it it’s a rumor but everything points toward eventually going over the Atlantic. I guess we will see soon, but until than like it or not they actually got mint right and it has done very well for us....oh the horror

Now as you know I agree they need to execute other things better and we need our contract but mint was a success when people on here (maybe you?) and Wall st said it wouldn’t be.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Well they can’t make airplanes magically appear faster than they can be produced and delivered.
Aircraft availability is not a factor.

We kicked that can down the road every 18 months or so.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
No we are still adding mint flights so it’s not running out of steam but there will be a day that all of the domestic mint markets have been mined. I don’t think this is a shock to management actually they pretty much said this, as it’s a very specific product. But it will still be making money for us.
Robin said don't expect the new Mint routes to do as well as the first.

Again you agree it is running out of steam.

A route specific aircraft is very risky moving forward.

IOW the Mint bubble is almost over.

Does that mean next month? No! Next year or the next probably.

Again what is the plan. We are stagnant, adrift or floundering.

Take your pick but hey we have pictures of the "lowest cost highest productively" party to look forward too.
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