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04-01-2017, 04:34 PM
#3162
Not A Janitor
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 814
Honestly surprised we don't do more out of DTW. Or CLE for that matter. We always let Spirit or Frontier have the low hanging fruit.
04-01-2017, 05:33 PM
#3163
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
04-01-2017, 08:24 PM
#3164
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Blue fifi flogger
Posts: 739
Today after a mechanical-induced cancellation, the crew and I were sent to 2 separate sold-out hotels by our "on-site" API rep. After 33 minutes on the phone and 45 minutes of transportation to sold-out hotels, I pulled out the CC and booked our own rooms. #keepsgettingbetter
04-01-2017, 09:09 PM
#3165
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 128
Never ever ever answer the phone when CS calls if you're on RSV. Let it go to voicemail. Call back as close to the 15 min mark as you can to make "positive contact". When they answer, you say "Hi. This is FO/Capt so-and-so. I received a voicemail from CS at 8:13AM" When they assign you the trip if it's less than a 2 hour show, you say "Well I'm showing it's 8:27 now, so how about we call the show time 10:27?"
Don't. Give. Them. A. Single. Free. Minute.
Don't. Give. Them. A. Single. Free. Minute.
04-02-2017, 04:07 AM
#3166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
04-02-2017, 09:54 PM
#3167
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Flight Duty Period (FDP) means:
“[A] period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to
report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series
of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for
further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member.
If I'm required (by nature of the shuttle schedule) to be there 30 minutes early, then my FDP starts 30 minutes early.
Think about it, if this weren't the case why couldn't the company schedule your shuttle to arrive 3 hours early and get some free defacto reserve out of you? What's the limit?
“[A] period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to
report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series
of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for
further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member.
If I'm required (by nature of the shuttle schedule) to be there 30 minutes early, then my FDP starts 30 minutes early.
Think about it, if this weren't the case why couldn't the company schedule your shuttle to arrive 3 hours early and get some free defacto reserve out of you? What's the limit?
04-02-2017, 10:52 PM
#3168
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Flight Duty Period (FDP) means:
“[A] period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to
report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series
of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for
further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member.
If I'm required (by nature of the shuttle schedule) to be there 30 minutes early, then my FDP starts 30 minutes early.
Think about it, if this weren't the case why couldn't the company schedule your shuttle to arrive 3 hours early and get some free defacto reserve out of you? What's the limit?
“[A] period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to
report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series
of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for
further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member.
If I'm required (by nature of the shuttle schedule) to be there 30 minutes early, then my FDP starts 30 minutes early.
Think about it, if this weren't the case why couldn't the company schedule your shuttle to arrive 3 hours early and get some free defacto reserve out of you? What's the limit?
A-16. FDP limits are determined by scheduled reporting time and not by actual reporting time (the scheduled reporting time for a FDP is created once that FDP has been assigned to a flightcrew member)."
Talk to the FAA POI or ALPA dudes if you still have an issue with it. I get it...you don't like the limo time. If I commute in 3 hours before my flight and I'm at the airport, that doesn't mean I'm on duty. Transportation to and from a hotel isn't duty. Duty is your scheduled show time until duty off. FDP is scheduled duty on until block in.
You are required to have 10 hours rest between duty off (15 after block in, or later if you end up having to stay later, which you can and are obligated to correct with CS if that happens) and show time the next day. Only 8 of those hours have to give you the opportunity to have sleep in suitable accommodations, which gives 2 hours combined on each end for transpo. If you don't have 8 hours due to a real early transpo time, or 10 hours total, that's on you to correct with the company. 117, nor our contract (or lack thereof) gives us any leeway on that, other than you calling in fatigued. You can call CS and try to get it moved later, then try the CPO if that doesn't work. But I don't think that will work out.
I dont think this is the first time someone's asked about this scenario. If it were a 117 issue, I think it would have been addressed by now.
04-03-2017, 06:09 AM
#3169
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: JetRight, JetLeft
Posts: 760
Today after a mechanical-induced cancellation, the crew and I were sent to 2 separate sold-out hotels by our "on-site" API rep. After 33 minutes on the phone and 45 minutes of transportation to sold-out hotels, I pulled out the CC and booked our own rooms. #keepsgettingbetter
ATTN: This is standard JB whenever there is any kind of pairing disruption. I've even been sent to a sold out hotel under normal ops. Never had this at ANY of my 6 previous airlines.
Beware of what you are getting in to.
Gup
04-03-2017, 06:52 AM
#3170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 917
I seriously hope they are going start running new hire classes with more pilots. 14 new hires per class every 2 weeks is not going to cut it, especially if they want 600 total Airbus FOs in JFK alone by August, they still need to fill almost 70 Bus FO slots in JFK alone!
If last weeks fiasco of a minor IROP and severe understaffing is any indication of how this summer is going to go, we are going to be in deep sh!t! I just wish people would STOP helping out the damn company and fix their incompetent planning and mistakes! Be ready for daily RSAs and e-mails from CPs begging to help out and cover flights this summer.
I stopped commuting on us a few weeks ago, because for some f'ing reason we cannot run an on-time airline! Consistently 2-3 hr delays, even on the clearest of days. It's absolutely ridiculous!
Thank you to all the other airlines for getting me to and from work on-time.... and I didn't have to clean
If last weeks fiasco of a minor IROP and severe understaffing is any indication of how this summer is going to go, we are going to be in deep sh!t! I just wish people would STOP helping out the damn company and fix their incompetent planning and mistakes! Be ready for daily RSAs and e-mails from CPs begging to help out and cover flights this summer.
I stopped commuting on us a few weeks ago, because for some f'ing reason we cannot run an on-time airline! Consistently 2-3 hr delays, even on the clearest of days. It's absolutely ridiculous!
Thank you to all the other airlines for getting me to and from work on-time.... and I didn't have to clean
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