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Old 01-25-2017, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
No support from the community? Time to dump LGB, I'm sure there are some other SoCal cities (LAX, SAN, SNA?) that would work with JB.

Waiting for next system bid with LGB reductions....

My thoughts exactly. We can ramp up fairly easily in the west (even the LA basin). It's time to move on and redeploy our resources somewhere else.

I'd just want Cabo overnights
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:04 AM
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Well now, maybe we'll finally start growing Orlando...
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:06 AM
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Well now, maybe we'll finally start growing Orlando...
I think we will make more $$$ (and have higher profit margins out west). Plus we essentially gave a significant amount of market share to Frontier in Orlando.......
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I think we will make more $$$ (and have higher profit margins out west). Plus we essentially gave a significant amount of market share to Frontier in Orlando.......
Maybe turn LGB into a 190 base for west coast flights.

What about ONT? FIS there? Plenty of gates, right?
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
Maybe turn LGB into a 190 base for west coast flights.
We just don't have the airplanes. Even if the rumors of the JFK 190 base going away are true, they are still needed in the North East doing short haul in and out of BOS/JFK.

Not having enough airplanes is jetblue's biggest problem right now all around (hiring and retaining pilots in a close second). So many under served markets with one or two flights a day at odd times... not to mention markets in the middle of the country where we could clean up that we don't fly at all.
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:31 AM
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Relying and hoping on LGB to come through was a dumb idea from the start. Pushing for more market share out of LAX would've been a great idea before the industry came back up. I hope there's a solid plan B hidden somewhere....
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:35 AM
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pulling growth from the west coast would be a really bad idea. Orlando won't happen till the new terminal is built. It's time to refocus on NorCal, SAN and push LAX growth.
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Old 01-25-2017, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667
pulling growth from the west coast would be a really bad idea. Orlando won't happen till the new terminal is built. It's time to refocus on NorCal, SAN and push LAX growth.
NorCal growth should be independent of any SoCal plans. And SFO is gate constrained, OAK is SWA fortress hub, which leaves SJC as the only option (and not necessarily a bad option).

Similar story in SoCal. LAX is gate constrained (even with expansion plans), SNA is slot restricted and slim chances of getting more than a few there, LGB is well... LGB, which leaves ONT as the only other option (again, not necessarily bad option).

SJC and ONT as west coast growth hubs wouldn't be terrible, but it isn't ideal either. Fact is that we do best when we have lots of interline international traffic feeding our flights, and there isn't much at those two spots. We DO need to grow out west, just a question of how?
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Old 01-25-2017, 06:29 AM
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Let's keep in mind that no slots were going to be instantly gained by opening LGB to international flights. While allowing the FIS to be built would have signaled a willingness to allow an expansion of LGB slots, I'm guessing it won't have much of a short term impact on West Coast growth.

Like Flyby said, a longer term solution is needed. Could LGB still be that solution? The city owns the airport. If I remember correctly, the noise ordinance is exempted by the FAA. What if the FAA could be convinced to have a change of heart about the slot restrictions?

Going with the city council didn't work, but I'm guessing there are probably some other levers the company has to pull to help LGB grow.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Flint Stone
Well now, maybe we'll finally start growing Orlando...
Don't even get my hopes up.

"Oh look! American's moving. Let's get those gates!"

***? Frontier!??! Where did they come from?!?!

"Oh look! We're moving to the new South terminal"

Aaaaaand, it's delayed already two years ahead of time.
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