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Old 12-13-2016, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisx2
He might have meant hiring a net increase of 300. At OSC, we're still planning on training 450. I'm with you, though, I was hoping for some kind of big announcement. All we got was everybody congratulating themselves on how well they've done these past 2 years


It would've been nice to get a big announcement, but yeah the 450 hire number is correct. We will train that many, and we project to lose 100-150. Attrition has been lower than projected for the past 3 years, this year included.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
It would've been nice to get a big announcement, but yeah the 450 hire number is correct. We will train that many, and we project to lose 100-150. Attrition has been lower than projected for the past 3 years, this year included.
That we have to train 450 to get 300 growth is a problem in my opinion, but they didn't invite me to that meeting.
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
That we have to train 450 to get 300 growth is a problem in my opinion, but they didn't invite me to that meeting.
You see it as a problem (I bet you know the solution ) that's what you didn't get invited
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
You see it as a problem (I bet you know the solution ) that's what you didn't get invited
I fully recognize that not everyone can be senior in their base and seat and that some need other things to keep them around.
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Old 12-14-2016, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
It would've been nice to get a big announcement, but yeah the 450 hire number is correct. We will train that many, and we project to lose 100-150. Attrition has been lower than projected for the past 3 years, this year included.
So you know more than the VP of Flight Ops? He said yesterday to Wall Street and is on audio recording saying we plan to hire 300 pilots in 2017.
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Old 12-14-2016, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
So you know more than the VP of Flight Ops? He said yesterday to Wall Street and is on audio recording saying we plan to hire 300 pilots in 2017.
He also said it was all for growth right afterwards.

There are 150 vacancies that need to be filled by 6/1. I think it's safe to presume there will be just as many vacancies to fill by 12/1. Throw in the typical attrition and you're around 400-450 total hired in 2017.

Regardless of what the number will be a year from now, the fact is none of us pilots has any control over it. That number will also probably change several times before the end of the year as it does every year.
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Old 12-14-2016, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
So you know more than the VP of Flight Ops? He said yesterday to Wall Street and is on audio recording saying we plan to hire 300 pilots in 2017.


I know what the training department is projecting for the year to put through new hire classes. You'd have to ask him if he was low-balling the plan, or if he was talking about net increase in pilots. I suspect the latter.

Either way, there's no reason to be a jerk.
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Old 12-14-2016, 08:17 PM
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Pretty sure investors couldn't give 2 $hits if they were hiring 300 or 450.
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Old 12-15-2016, 05:22 AM
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Overall the investor day sounded positive....which while not as interesting as plans to announce 15 A330's or a new CLT base it still indicative of the health of the company. And a healthy company is better positioned to pay us all via a solid contract.

I'm surprised nobody has jumped on the Europe/S America take away from some of the recently written articles.
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Old 12-15-2016, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
I'm surprised nobody has jumped on the Europe/S America take away from some of the recently written articles.
I'm surprised as well. FLL-MAD & FLL-LHR as well as EZE, SCL, PTY, GRU, CCS all sound "reasonable" but also indicate to me that either we're gonna carry no more than a 100 folks on the LR or more likely a 330/787. Interesting times ahead but I'm not holding my breath. I too like the fact that we look pretty healthy going forward as a whole IMO.

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