Originally Posted by silver fleet

What's the official word on the LGB openings?

Originally Posted by aewanabe

Joe, you're getting way too defensive here. Bunker is not saying he wants a lower 190 differential, but is saying you ought to read the tea leaves that our own MEC is putting out. With DL's new TA and the fact they are getting CS100s, we should absolutely be using that in our contract comparison. But at this point we aren't. It might be worthwhile to share your thoughts on that with the NC.

A little blewjet history: the first four years the E190 was on property it paid nowhere near 90 percent of 320 rates. When I was hired in 2007, the company had just reduced 320 first year pay to 47/hr, and brought 190 first year up to 47/hr from 36 the year before! Second year 190FO pay was 50/hr, where second year 320 was 57... 190 FO TOS was only 60/hr in year 12, and while I don't have the CA rates at the time memorized TOS was just LESS than 100/hr.... about 66% of 320 TOS at the time. Similarly, FO rates on both jets did not equal 69% of equivalent CA rates.

The 90/69 differential didn't come into play until PCRB2, and as the company was staving off the JBPA drive in 2009. We started viewing the 190 as our small narrowbody and the 320 as a medium narrowbody, and looked at other carriers with both in their fleets for industry-standard practice. The company agreed to the 90/69 differential both to help thwart JBPA and to reduce training cycles of guys fleeing the 190 the second seat-locks were up.

I'm in the unique position of having flown both jets in both seats here. Nearly 10 years on property makes me an extremely junior 320 Captain in my base, but I can tell you I worked harder as a 190 CA with a mid-seniority line than as a RSV 320 guy (minus the occasional redeye, which still blows). All I'm gonna say is this: I want more money for my seat, and especially for flying a 321 with 50 more seats.... but to the Bus guys, especially junior ones, who say "let them eat cake" on the 190 rates, guess what happens when the differential increases? That's right, every guy senior to you who was camping out for QOL, comes flooding on top of you. Just saying, careful what you wish for.

Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

All right guys enough on the contract talk. I was on our last p2p call and they encoraged us to stay off online forums like this one discussing contract talk. Lets go back to speculating on how junior the upgrades are going to go this latest system bid. Any thoughts??

Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

All right guys enough on the contract talk.

Originally Posted by Std Deviation

You don't happen to have a Corvette with that exact vanity plate do you? I saw "2FAST4U" driving through Southlake, TX last week.

Originally Posted by Std Deviation

Or more important things like the mint offerings: for a long haul does the kale or quinoa salad hold up better? And is it appropriate to serve a poached egg after 10am?

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

That's easy poached eggs are ALWAYS appropriate.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

I just think this TA is really going to divide the pilot group if it comes out with what the "tea leaves" are saying. We already have enough of this mainline/RJ thinking and it's not good for us. As I have said before every future contract is built on this and we need to get it right so we should be very careful with these types of situations. Now if you are going to tell me that f16 and some of bluejetdorks post don't cone across as being talked down to well maybe that's me, but I guess questioning my comprehension skills slightly annoys me. Look I simply want us to look out for all of the pilots and while some on here say the same thing some of the posts do not indicate that. Again how much of a difference should we allow between the aircraft? I simply don't trust pilots and there are plenty of bus guys to out vote the 190. I wouldn't be shocked to see a scenario where the 190 is decoupled left where it is and we are told to bid the bus if you can hold it because the 190 is already the highest paid. I just don't know if that is a good thing for our group. Just like the VA deal how many guys were already saying DOH because it would be a good deal for them while screwing 1/3 of this group. I want to look out for every pilot that wears a blue shirt from our most jr to the senior. Alpa has a history of eating their young let's not repeat it. If anything the first 2 years of FO pay should be the same for the new guys otherwise if we still keep the seat lock and decouple the 190 pay that is going to be a BS deal for the guys just starting here. Look it is what it is and all I can do is vote when we have a TA.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

I just think this TA is really going to divide the pilot group if it comes out with what the "tea leaves" are saying.