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11-30-2016, 04:48 AM
#1951
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An impossible chore for negotiators to prove much of an increase without the company wanting something in exchange. Now if you can give the NMB(because that's where we will be soon) evidence that the rates aren't in line with our peers they will listen. It's just the fact is there isn't evidence to prove that.
Remove the EMB from the front of the 190 and put a B or an A or F in front of it and we're behind.
Do not sell yourself short because the name of the plane has "RJ" in it.
Category, of aircraft, not name.
Also wouldn't argue DAL rates... They didn't waste time on them because they aren't getting them. You can take it to the bank, if the DAL pilots were getting the 190 that pay would have been substantially higher.
11-30-2016, 05:11 AM
#1952
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"We" don't need it. You'd prefer it that way. I see things differently. I love the freedom and flexibility of the PTO system. That's not to say we don't need improvements to it. If our total PTO accrual equals DAL/UAL/AA's combined sick and vacation AND we had a similar vacation distribution spread and vacation bidding system, what difference would it make?
11-30-2016, 05:28 AM
#1953
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"We" don't need it. You'd prefer it that way. I see things differently. I love the freedom and flexibility of the PTO system. That's not to say we don't need improvements to it. If our total PTO accrual equals DAL/UAL/AA's combined sick and vacation AND we had a similar vacation distribution spread and vacation bidding system, what difference would it make?
11-30-2016, 05:43 AM
#1954
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11-30-2016, 06:04 AM
#1955
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Without one pilots work sick so they don't burn their vacation time or pto to sell. We need an equivalent of 2 four day trips as sick time. I like our current system too but it's an old system and it needs to be enhanced not only with a larger PTO allotment but the ability for guys to actually get sick and have a life. we shouldn't have the give up one with out the other. This isn't 2004.
11-30-2016, 06:28 AM
#1957
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 190CA
Posts: 726
Without one pilots work sick so they don't burn their vacation time or pto to sell. We need an equivalent of 2 four day trips as sick time. I like our current system too but it's an old system and it needs to be enhanced not only with a larger PTO allotment but the ability for guys to actually get sick and have a life. we shouldn't have the give up one with out the other. This isn't 2004.
11-30-2016, 07:46 AM
#1958
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 523
You're incorrect.
Remove the EMB from the front of the 190 and put a B or an A or F in front of it and we're behind.
Do not sell yourself short because the name of the plane has "RJ" in it.
Category, of aircraft, not name.
Also wouldn't argue DAL rates... They didn't waste time on them because they aren't getting them. You can take it to the bank, if the DAL pilots were getting the 190 that pay would have been substantially higher.
Remove the EMB from the front of the 190 and put a B or an A or F in front of it and we're behind.
Do not sell yourself short because the name of the plane has "RJ" in it.
Category, of aircraft, not name.
Also wouldn't argue DAL rates... They didn't waste time on them because they aren't getting them. You can take it to the bank, if the DAL pilots were getting the 190 that pay would have been substantially higher.
11-30-2016, 08:03 AM
#1959
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 591
Both granted not accrued.
Sound about right for us.
11-30-2016, 08:07 AM
#1960
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 591
Market Pay = Base Pay + Selling PTO.
Cool now everyone has lower than market base pay.
Nice work!
Only in BlueJet world does selling PTO count and not count at the same time.
Using DAL numbers and 'when I don't get sick' equals about $72,000 of additional compensation that will not have to exist in order to not affect base pay rates. But $72,000 does exist. So, someone thinks $265 a hour is doable AND selling PTO when they don't get sick which the company and a mediator will quickly state "Hey NC you want a $340 hour effective base rate" and that fight some on this board think IS NOT a waste of NC capital to engage in.
We are doomed!
Cool now everyone has lower than market base pay.
Nice work!
Only in BlueJet world does selling PTO count and not count at the same time.
Using DAL numbers and 'when I don't get sick' equals about $72,000 of additional compensation that will not have to exist in order to not affect base pay rates. But $72,000 does exist. So, someone thinks $265 a hour is doable AND selling PTO when they don't get sick which the company and a mediator will quickly state "Hey NC you want a $340 hour effective base rate" and that fight some on this board think IS NOT a waste of NC capital to engage in.
We are doomed!
Last edited by BlueJetDork; 11-30-2016 at 08:25 AM.
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