BeatNavy

Since we are talking about contract wish lists, etc., I hear a lot of people I talk to say the emb190 rates won't change much because we are already at the top of the industry with those rates. Here's some food for thought. The 20 us air e190s AA flies are getting parked, and it's a very tiny percentage of their pilots who fly them. They'll be gone in a few years anyway. No one else flies them in the US. Therefore, the argument that we are at the top of e190 pay in the industry is true, but that's a skewed/irrelevant fact...we will soon be the lowest paid 100 seat pilots once those are gone. Oh and the AA guys can bid off them almost right away...we can't.

Delta has e190s in their contract, but they are lumped with CRJ-900 (76 seater) rates, with none on property and no plans to get them. The cS100, only slightly bigger than a 190, of which DAL is getting 75+50 options, will be $120/hr for 2nd year FO, $167.59 for 12 year FO, and $223-$245 for CA. It's a $10/hour difference from their a320 rate. Their cs300 is only a few bucks off airbus rates. It shouldn't take our negotiating capital away to negotiate industry standard rates for e190s...I don't think it would take away from airbus rates. I get the argument that we have more airbii, there is no future of e190s, etc., but I think we are selling ourselves short by accepting current rates on the e190 moving forward. Discuss.

likeitis

An impossible chore for negotiators to prove much of an increase without the company wanting something in exchange. Now if you can give the NMB(because that's where we will be soon) evidence that the rates aren't in line with our peers they will listen. It's just the fact is there isn't evidence to prove that.

Fieldinsight

None of the profiles of aforementioned list anything substantial beyond min guarantee (DAL 65, if that's accurate), 401k contributions and of course pay. Being merely a lazy pilot I copied/pasted ALG's latest since their profile had a list. As I now understand, big mistake to infer a serious discussion of what some here have labeled an RJ contract....., and APC is not the place, point taken, thank you.

Well now that DAL and SWA have raised the bar again, my guess is the NC will be stepping things up. I'll be ready.

rvr1800

Your JetBlue MEC has put out a contract comparison guide that will help you compare to those in our peer set. You'll notice Allegiant is not included.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/je...Comparison.pdf

BlueJetDork

Notice pay rates, vacation and time off have not been addressed yet by BlueJet.

Compared to our system every other system has more flexibility since with BlueJet you can only do one thing and none of the other.

Xtreme87

I love our PTO system, just can use a few extra hours a month and we're good to go.

capt707

We need a seperate vacation and sick bank and accrual.

Xtreme87

Except the ability to PTO pretty much any day that you feel like is pretty awesome. If a day is green and I just don't feel like showing up to work, I can drop it. How would that work with a vacation/sick bank system?

BlueJetDork

We have the bestest system in the industry which is why every other pilot group is running away from this type of system and would never touch it - ever.

With a PTS and PTV system calling out "any day that you feel like it" is a function of the DP that is negotiated since the company controls the 'green' days.

In the real world as long as you fly one day pairings mid week in off peak months you are golden. For the rest who fly 2, 3 and 4 days that touch weekends? Not so much.

Bluedriver

Just a few more hours is NOT going to cut it.