likeitis

Can't say I have met any these people but I have knowledge of the workings from a family member involved in negotiations on behalf the company(not B6) and friends who were NC chairmen. The NMB has a surprising amount of power. The company WILL at some point use this raise for sympathy. It is what it is and we really have no choice but to accept the raise. This won't change our negotiating at all but is just one of the tactics every airline uses to delay the costs of a contract. Every month delay is millions of dollars and more importantly on a first contract, control. Unless something comes along(financing, merger, stability, etc) then the goal is to delay as long as possible. If you are new to airline labor contract negotiations it would be wise to do a little research. Start with a google search of Ford and Harrison, Seabury and read the book Hard Landing. Again follow SOP, fly your schedule and no more and show your support of the NC. Take the 8% and transfer it directly into a strike fund.

P-3Bubba

No one is planning a strike fund. Jetblue will never Vote to strike. This is nonsense. We don't accept any gifts from management until we have a TA to vote on. This 8% is not part of a CBA nor negotiations. It is status quo from a management group that is five steps ahead of the pilot group as a whole. Accepting the temptation of the 8% proves we are weak and we all will continue to roll over. The NMB will always favor the company. They can't be held responsible for being a part of a strike and stranded angry US travelers/voters. Congress and the lobby won't allow that. Wake up! When we roll over on the 8% our CBA is a wrap. We're toast. And we will accept the first TA that rolls out.

When this 8% passes I will ask to be referred to as "The Great and Wise P-3Bubbadamus"

say again

Doom and gloom!

P-3Bubba

Doom and gloom is talking about a strike. Delta and SWA aren't on strike. They're all building money vaults in the backyard. We make our own doom and gloom.

-Bubs

seekingblue

you do know Delta and Southwest are hiring, Right? Glad to see you are still committed to working here since you know all about the coming doom and gloom


Yes voter here. My MEC speaks for me.

likeitis

Whether we take the 8% or not it will be used against us. The company is always a few steps ahead of the union because the railway act is woefully one sided. Yes the NMB always favors the company and I never said there will be a strike. What I know from experience is that if you have a personal strike fund you are much less willing to accept a crap TA. A month or two of salary isn't too much to ask. Maybe when we get bogged down by the money chapters we do as DALPA and threaten to help the FA's organize.

P-3Bubba

I like your solution to me leaving jetblue. I've been here before Alpa and now with Alpa. I've seen how jblue does the direct releationship thing and then blows the dust off the PEA that was printed 6 months prior.

My point is there doesn't have to be doom and gloom. Seeker, are you suggesting that we all roll over? The 8% is our first chance to be heard as a collective group. That's my point.

-Bubs

Xtreme87

One job fair is all it takes too.

That cleaning stuff is funny. The legacies give FREE business class standby to even their regionals, and nobody is expected to lift a finger to clean up other people's snot rags. That's what cabin cleaners are for. Not pay $80 or whatever it is and clean an A321. I think I'll just ZED from now on, or are they going to get rid of those too? Hate to sound whiny and I do understand that it's a privilege and not a right blah blah blah, but still, it's a matter of principle.

Softpayman

Hate to break it to you but pass travel at the regionals the past few years was horrible. Maybe some of the wholly owned did ok but working for a United feeder blew.

Cabin cleaners? They did away with those at United Express while I was there too. Plane was cleaned as a RON and that was it. Crew (inflight mostly) cleaned up.

Aquaticus

You guys want to fly to europe making 40% less than your peers, staying at aloft's across the street from the airport, mediocre healthcare, dealing with some fly by night 401k servicer, and with work rules that make legacies look like retirement. JetBlue cannot keep their profit where it was in 2015 with the aggressive delivery of aircraft they have slated. Look at deltas 3q earnings statement. There is a softening of ticketing revenue and it is predicted to only get worse. You are going to have 30 new planes with new routes generating a loss within the next year. Starting service to ATL, again, is an excercise in futility. Arguing over 10% or 15% of a tiny number is stupid. JetBlue wont have a profit like 2015 in the near future.

JetBlue's newhire classes consist of 50% people that cannot move on to a legacy either due to flight time or other issues. This is why they did that. They know they have you for your career. Why would they offer something out of the goodness of their hearts?