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09-06-2023, 08:31 AM
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There are a lot of peculiar assumptions about when you negotiate for what in this forum. If, every time you are to discuss a contract, you come at it with your top number and don't back off, you will literally never get anything at all.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
09-06-2023, 09:07 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: blueJet
Posts: 4,534
There are a lot of peculiar assumptions about when you negotiate for what in this forum. If, every time you are to discuss a contract, you come at it with your top number and don't back off, you will literally never get anything at all.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
Like when the MEC told us that the pilot group wanted profit sharing, even though it was not on the survey…
And then the MEC told us that profit sharing was a must-have or we would be in a labor dispute over Christmas…
And then the MEC told us the company said no to profit sharing…
And then the MEC told us we should vote yes to an extension with no profit sharing because we had no leverage…
And then the MEC admitted off the record that the profit sharing demand was just a ruse to get better hourly rates.
Yup, that’s a world-class MEC right there.
09-06-2023, 09:55 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,096
One would hope that all the people recalled after the United “Tumi TA” fiasco sent a message to all ALPA MECs that playing softball and granting concessions to management isn’t going to fly in the current environment. And that would seem to go double for a JCBA where the pilot groups have far more leverage than usual.
09-06-2023, 02:45 PM
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 429
There are a lot of peculiar assumptions about when you negotiate for what in this forum. If, every time you are to discuss a contract, you come at it with your top number and don't back off, you will literally never get anything at all.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
I dislike the way our union communicates, overall, and I hate their East Coast First focus, but honestly guys? Where this joint was 8 years ago? B6ALPA has dragged the pilot group into 2023 kicking and screaming and PUT them in this position of great leverage. The JCBA is the pinnacle of leverage for the group, but the reason we are down to a few big-ticket items and not still having to scrap for every dollar is a result of good decision making on the part of the MEC.
Just the opinion of a lowly line guy.
09-06-2023, 04:43 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 715
Antbar looks like he is very satisfied with everything that has transpired in the last 8 yrs, they are inspired by the sheer genius of our MEC and NC, and if you are not satisfied with this performance then no doubt it’s your failing for not being appreciative enough for their superior strategy! His only big gripe is the east coast focus of the union! YGBFKM
09-07-2023, 11:15 AM
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 1,226
No no....don't break up the fun, they're busy worrying about their profit sharing!! We could have all bought at least a Weber grille with the money we missed out on over the last 5 years!
09-07-2023, 12:12 PM
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09-07-2023, 01:06 PM
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
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1. Then it shouldn't cost the company much to give us the industry STANDARD profit sharing formula/language.
2. They have been telling Wall Street that they have a plan/path/forecast back to good margins.
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