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10-12-2016, 02:42 PM
#1311
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
I know we're not on opposite sides. There is no way that B6 believes it will have to come close to the big 3 (or 4 if you include LUV). They will be very interested in the outcome of this vote and if it passes in the 90s, it will indicate our weakness and delay what may have been a decent TA until 2019-A goal that is widely known to exist. Do you realize the hundreds of millions they save by staving off a new contract for just 1 year? Now triple those profits if TA is delayed a few years- profits, we now share to a lesser degree btw. Eye on the prize-no mitigation is my stance. Good luck to us all
10-12-2016, 02:44 PM
#1312
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 170
So we lose the profit sharing regardless if we vote yes or no, yet people want to vote down an increase in our base pay? what do we as a pilot group gain for voting it down? Seriously, would love to understand what some are thinking...
If we vote yes we get an increase in our base pay of 8% and doesn't change our negotiations for our first contract... would someone rather have 8% more pay as we continue to fight for our first contract, or would you be happy making what we are now as we still continue to fight for our first contract...
Our PS is being cut regardless...
If we vote yes we get an increase in our base pay of 8% and doesn't change our negotiations for our first contract... would someone rather have 8% more pay as we continue to fight for our first contract, or would you be happy making what we are now as we still continue to fight for our first contract...
Our PS is being cut regardless...
10-12-2016, 02:48 PM
#1313
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
So we lose the profit sharing regardless if we vote yes or no, yet people want to vote down an increase in our base pay? what do we as a pilot group gain for voting it down? Seriously, would love to understand what some are thinking...
If we vote yes we get an increase in our base pay of 8% and doesn't change our negotiations for our first contract... would someone rather have 8% more pay as we continue to fight for our first contract, or would you be happy making what we are now as we still continue to fight for our first contract...
Our PS is being cut regardless...
If we vote yes we get an increase in our base pay of 8% and doesn't change our negotiations for our first contract... would someone rather have 8% more pay as we continue to fight for our first contract, or would you be happy making what we are now as we still continue to fight for our first contract...
Our PS is being cut regardless...
10-12-2016, 03:00 PM
#1317
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 170
So what message does it send by voting no? We won't get retro pay in our first contract, so again what purpose or message are we sending by rejecting this increase in pay? I guess if the the negotiations take 2 plus years you will be happy that you sent that message and lost out on 8% on your paychecks for say 2 plus years.... oh and the company just saved 8% and STILL takes the money from PS... yup sends a strong message... SMH...
10-12-2016, 03:07 PM
#1318
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 917
I am not telling anyone how to vote and if the MEC thinks its ok to vote yes, then ok. All I said was that we need to stop saying this is a raise! It's not! They are cutting profit sharing and they will keep taking away more and more and changing policies. See the check in policy, changes to limo and deadhead times, now screwing with our retirement, etc. This is only the beginning....
10-12-2016, 03:08 PM
#1319
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
So what message does it send by voting no? We won't get retro pay in our first contract, so again what purpose or message are we sending by rejecting this increase in pay? I guess if the the negotiations take 2 plus years you will be happy that you sent that message and lost out on 8% on your paychecks for say 2 plus years.... oh and the company just saved 8% and STILL takes the money from PS... yup sends a strong message... SMH...
There are no guarantees except that B6's goal is to get as much from the pilot group while paying as little as possible. Im not sure you'll be familiar with the expression but jetblue is simply "cooling out their mark"- its a con game. Enjoy your 8%- itll be the last "raise" we get for 3 years.
10-12-2016, 03:09 PM
#1320
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
I am not against the MEC! I wear my lanyard and support our union, but that doesn't mean I always agree with everything!
I am not telling anyone how to vote and if the MEC thinks its ok to vote yes, then ok. All I said was that we need to stop saying this is a raise! It's not! They are cutting profit sharing and they will keep taking away more and more and changing policies. See the check in policy, changes to limo and deadhead times, now screwing with our retirement, etc. This is only the beginning....
I am not telling anyone how to vote and if the MEC thinks its ok to vote yes, then ok. All I said was that we need to stop saying this is a raise! It's not! They are cutting profit sharing and they will keep taking away more and more and changing policies. See the check in policy, changes to limo and deadhead times, now screwing with our retirement, etc. This is only the beginning....
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