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Old 06-06-2022, 03:30 PM
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An industry leading JCBA will help with attrition, along with more bases spread out across the country. We instantly go to 7500ish pilots. Yea, we’ll always lose some guys to the legacies, but we will be a net positive in hiring. Idk, I kinda hope this goes through.
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Old 06-06-2022, 04:08 PM
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Yes it is either total desperation or aggressive confidence. They sure are putting the money down.
And the PR campaign.
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Old 06-06-2022, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
An industry leading JCBA will help with attrition, along with more bases spread out across the country. We instantly go to 7500ish pilots. Yea, we’ll always lose some guys to the legacies, but we will be a net positive in hiring. Idk, I kinda hope this goes through.
I hope you’re right, but it seems like in mergers, 2+2=3. If it goes through, I hope our execs don’t end up closing a bunch of domiciles and deferring a bunch of deliveries and we just end up with a lot of younger pilots integrated ahead of us on the list, slowing future seniority advancement. I know they wouldn’t plan on spending billions of dollars just to waste the resources, but unless they figure out how to retain more pilots, they could be forced into it (kind of like cutting the flying this summer) and if it starts to look stagnant, attrition will just accelerate. Just one possible outcome and I hope it’s overly pessimistic.
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Old 06-06-2022, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
I hope you’re right, but it seems like in mergers, 2+2=3. If it goes through, I hope our execs don’t end up closing a bunch of domiciles and deferring a bunch of deliveries and we just end up with a lot of younger pilots integrated ahead of us on the list, slowing future seniority advancement. I know they wouldn’t plan on spending billions of dollars just to waste the resources, but unless they figure out how to retain more pilots, they could be forced into it (kind of like cutting the flying this summer) and if it starts to look stagnant, attrition will just accelerate. Just one possible outcome and I hope it’s overly pessimistic.
This is how I see it playing out in the short-medium term.
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Old 06-06-2022, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
I hope you’re right, but it seems like in mergers, 2+2=3. If it goes through, I hope our execs don’t end up closing a bunch of domiciles and deferring a bunch of deliveries and we just end up with a lot of younger pilots integrated ahead of us on the list, slowing future seniority advancement. I know they wouldn’t plan on spending billions of dollars just to waste the resources, but unless they figure out how to retain more pilots, they could be forced into it (kind of like cutting the flying this summer) and if it starts to look stagnant, attrition will just accelerate. Just one possible outcome and I hope it’s overly pessimistic.
If they’re are stupid enough to start closing all the domiciles, it will be a fuqing disaster. Our current management can’t realistically manage an operation nearly twice our current size; that does concern me.
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:49 AM
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https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/...=62A61BD4&dl=1

Envoy secures 57% increase in pay rates. Jetblue, one of the other AA regionals, settled for 3%. Great job yes voters.
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Old 06-11-2022, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/...=62A61BD4&dl=1

Envoy secures 57% increase in pay rates. Jetblue, one of the other AA regionals, settled for 3%. Great job yes voters.
Thats actually great news. If Pinnacle pilots don’t want to flow to AA because they’re already making enough money, then maybe JetBlue can establish a flow to take up the slack.
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Old 06-11-2022, 05:43 PM
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I don’t know how paying regional pilots that much money is a sustainable business model, but as long as they are, it has to help us in negotiations. Of course our Union would have to grow a set of nuts first.
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Old 06-11-2022, 05:55 PM
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If we were to acquire Spirit, I believe it would require all of us to elect new LEC/MEC reps across the board? We can get rid of CK and maybe elect a group with some backbone. I’m tired of the company running roughshod this pilot group. I just sent a PDR in over a contract violation and the response was completely useless. As a matter of fact, out of the 5 or so PDR’s I’ve sent in, I’ve never received an informative or helpful response. It’s either snarky, clueless, or apathetic. We do have some solid guys in B6ALPA, but damn, the whole thing needs an overhaul. If nothing else, maybe Spirit would bring that to the table.
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Old 06-11-2022, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I don’t know how paying regional pilots that much money is a sustainable business model, but as long as they are, it has to help us in negotiations. Of course our Union would have to grow a set of nuts first.
Our union has nuts. It took large juevos to bring a concessionary LOA17 to the membership, say they weren't going to sell it to us, while selling it to us. Further, it took brass ones to openly manipulate the payout so that junior people would vote yes as they got hired by UAL.

They have a spine, they just don't represent us anymore.
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