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02-03-2021, 09:31 AM
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LOA 12:
1.For the period beginning on the effective date of this LOA and ending on May 1,2021,the Parties agree to the following:
a. Subject to Paragraph A.2-3herein, the Company may enter into a Commercial Agreement with AAL, pursuant to Section 1.F.1 of the Agreement, not withstanding the requirements of Section 1.F.1.a-b of the Agreement.
CBA:
1.F.1:. The Company may enter into a Commercial Agreement provided: a. The block hours operated by the Company increase during the relevant Comparison Period compared to the relevant Base Period, and b. The number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on the effective date of the Commercial Agreement has increased compared to the number of Active Pilots employed 365 days prior to the effective date.
We have entered this agreement per the relief given to our CBA. LOA 13 changes the requirements to maintain this agreement with concessionary language to CBA section 1.F.2
I still haven’t heard a single valid argument as to why part B of LOA 13 is superior to section 1 of our CBA. On the contrary, the concessions purposed with this LOA will give an opportunity to LIMIT the growth (2024) of both our pilot group and block hours flown that are currently protected under a code share agreement.
02-03-2021, 11:19 AM
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,931
You guys are absolutely right, I can see how that sounded like I don’t want money to be a part of the equation. So let me clarify.
I have no problem with getting better compensation in a TA #2. But what I was trying to encourage in others is to not look at this from the perspective of “they aren’t paying me enough to give up scope protections,” but rather “lock up this language in a very limited way that gives us more power and oh, by the way, more money also.” The money doesn’t mean a thing without the words.
Most folks seem to get this, but if you wouldn’t vote for this TA now, but would vote for the exact same TA with 20% profit sharing, you’re looking at the problem wrong.
Thanks Payne for pointing out the mistake.
I have no problem with getting better compensation in a TA #2. But what I was trying to encourage in others is to not look at this from the perspective of “they aren’t paying me enough to give up scope protections,” but rather “lock up this language in a very limited way that gives us more power and oh, by the way, more money also.” The money doesn’t mean a thing without the words.
Most folks seem to get this, but if you wouldn’t vote for this TA now, but would vote for the exact same TA with 20% profit sharing, you’re looking at the problem wrong.
Thanks Payne for pointing out the mistake.
But no I agree with you it’s not worth it if we keep the crappy language.
02-03-2021, 02:44 PM
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
This doesn't prevent RJ's in any way. JB can't hire Envoy, but they can just put their code on nearly unlimited Envoy (or any Eagle) flights, with the only real restrictions being hub to hub and hub to Caribbean.
So there will be LOTS of B6 coded RJs...
E175s are a lot cheaper to operate than E190s and the same is true for E175 pilots. Winning like Charlie Sheen!
So there will be LOTS of B6 coded RJs...
E175s are a lot cheaper to operate than E190s and the same is true for E175 pilots. Winning like Charlie Sheen!
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02-03-2021, 04:29 PM
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
You guys are absolutely right, I can see how that sounded like I don’t want money to be a part of the equation. So let me clarify.
I have no problem with getting better compensation in a TA #2. But what I was trying to encourage in others is to not look at this from the perspective of “they aren’t paying me enough to give up scope protections,” but rather “lock up this language in a very limited way that gives us more power and oh, by the way, more money also.” The money doesn’t mean a thing without the words.
Most folks seem to get this, but if you wouldn’t vote for this TA now, but would vote for the exact same TA with 20% profit sharing, you’re looking at the problem wrong.
Thanks Payne for pointing out the mistake.
I have no problem with getting better compensation in a TA #2. But what I was trying to encourage in others is to not look at this from the perspective of “they aren’t paying me enough to give up scope protections,” but rather “lock up this language in a very limited way that gives us more power and oh, by the way, more money also.” The money doesn’t mean a thing without the words.
Most folks seem to get this, but if you wouldn’t vote for this TA now, but would vote for the exact same TA with 20% profit sharing, you’re looking at the problem wrong.
Thanks Payne for pointing out the mistake.
02-03-2021, 04:53 PM
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 1,232
It won't be Envoy flying your passengers. It will be Republic. We closed our MIA base and grew the LGA base by 40% in anticipation of flying JetBlue passengers via the AA alliance. Already got our base displacements today set to go for April 1st FYI
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02-03-2021, 04:56 PM
The REAL Bluedriver
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02-03-2021, 05:06 PM
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As a lowly regional pilot it's extremely concerning to me that yet more scope erosion seems to be on the way. For the promise of added shiny jets and 2% pay raise? Do you see how big the regionals are these days? Republic even flies to Central America and the Caribbean out of MIA. We have no business doing that type of flying for AA. I will hate when B6 passengers are connecting on us
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02-03-2021, 05:25 PM
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As a lowly regional pilot it's extremely concerning to me that yet more scope erosion seems to be on the way. For the promise of added shiny jets and 2% pay raise? Do you see how big the regionals are these days? Republic even flies to Central America and the Caribbean out of MIA. We have no business doing that type of flying for AA. I will hate when B6 passengers are connecting on us
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02-03-2021, 05:29 PM
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
Don't take offense. This will be my last interference on this B6 thread. I read the email your company sent you a few days ago promising stellar growth in LGA etc. I haven't read the TA but it sounds from an outsider's perspective like the email the company sent doesn't line up with the language of the TA. Good luck to your pilot group. The whole industry is watching
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