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01-28-2021, 11:30 AM
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Which equals: furlough protection without selling our scope clause for the rest of our careers...for 2% and empty, non-binding committments to “like, maybe, like do some sort of FCFS window and throw a few VPLOAs/EILs out there—at the company’s discretion.”
01-28-2021, 11:40 AM
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Just FYI:
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
1. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all flying conducted by or on behalf of the Company (including aircraft under the operational control of the Company) shall be performed by Pilots represented by the Association on the JetBlue Airways System Seniority List.
2. The Company will not enter into any “alter ego” or “double breasted” arrangement, or an agreement in which an affiliate performs Part 121 flying, unless such flying is performed by Pilots on the JetBlue System Seniority List under the terms of this Agreement, except for the period prior to the integration of the seniority lists of the two carriers as required by Section 1.E. of this Agreement.
01-28-2021, 01:15 PM
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01-28-2021, 01:49 PM
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Alright, I recently talked to a rep.
My biggest takeaway was that they are NOT selling this LOA correctly. I mean, look how pretty much all of us have reacted to it, myself included. Even some of us who never agree are in agreement. I read the email, the bullet points, and the LOA. No where in any of it did it provide business reasons why this is good for JetBlue, and thusly, us lowly pilots.
Bottom line from the rep, the business reasons are where to meat of this LOA's worth is at.
Fine. Explain that to us.
Until they do that, and do that convincingly, this won't pass. All any of us see is what we are losing, and all for 2%.
Here's the rub, a lot of the business reasons are under NDA's and therefore there isn't an appropriate way of transmitting that information to the group.
I'm not writing this to sway anyone, or put me down as a yes voter, just passing along what small amount of information I can.
I also got that PS was a complete non-starter despite several reps pushing for it, and it's zero cost to the company.
My biggest takeaway was that they are NOT selling this LOA correctly. I mean, look how pretty much all of us have reacted to it, myself included. Even some of us who never agree are in agreement. I read the email, the bullet points, and the LOA. No where in any of it did it provide business reasons why this is good for JetBlue, and thusly, us lowly pilots.
Bottom line from the rep, the business reasons are where to meat of this LOA's worth is at.
Fine. Explain that to us.
Until they do that, and do that convincingly, this won't pass. All any of us see is what we are losing, and all for 2%.
Here's the rub, a lot of the business reasons are under NDA's and therefore there isn't an appropriate way of transmitting that information to the group.
I'm not writing this to sway anyone, or put me down as a yes voter, just passing along what small amount of information I can.
I also got that PS was a complete non-starter despite several reps pushing for it, and it's zero cost to the company.
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