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12-17-2020, 09:06 AM

#10151

SaintNick

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

Some arguments that the exto can be withdrawn whenever flying picks up and we're saving their AA agreement for not much else in return. Some fair points on BP. And plenty of NOs.
Let's see the terms.

that is a fair point but it also gives furlough protection for an extended period of time for things to get back to normal. Also raises 5 hours per month for the vil’s

12-17-2020, 09:09 AM

#10152

say again

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

Some arguments that the exto can be withdrawn whenever flying picks up and we're saving their AA agreement for not much else in return. Some fair points on BP. And plenty of NOs.
Let's see the terms.

Everyone was also a NO on the contract, until 74% said yes

12-17-2020, 09:25 AM

#10153

feltf4

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Originally Posted by say again

Everyone was also a NO on the contract, until 74% said yes

true.

idk I just think the writing is on the wall. These bullet points all look decent to me. My math tells me that if we furlough in May. I will be down graded. And that financially will be a bigger hit than being at 70 for a while longer.

I wonder what that last point means as well where it says that LOA 12 will not be extended? Will we go back to 75?

In any event. Many of the people who put the contract together were very happy about our scope protections to begin with. I cannot imagine they would vote 14-0 to drastically change it.

12-17-2020, 09:31 AM

#10154

nuball5

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Originally Posted by say again

Everyone was also a NO on the contract, until 74% said yes

Pretty much. What was the ALPA vote back in 2018? 10 to 4 or something close to that. Although most probably read Section 3 and voted accordingly. I’ll wait for the full agreement like I did last time. It’ll clear a lot of ambiguity we have now.

12-17-2020, 10:06 AM

#10155

Bluedriver

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Position: Airbus Capt

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Originally Posted by Blue Dude

But if it permanently weakens scope, vs a waiver only because of the pandemic downturn, it means a hard no.

Bingo.....

12-17-2020, 10:10 AM

#10156

PotatoChip

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Joined APC: Jan 2013

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Bingo.....

I have to believe that at 14-0 it didn't weaken scope.

(But it would be a no vote IF it did.)

Overall, seems fairly reasonable. 55 hours a month was better than expected. Interested to see how many of each line, and the call-back language.

12-17-2020, 10:30 AM

#10157

seekingblue

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Yes voter here (depending on final scope language)

12-17-2020, 11:01 AM

#10158

leavemealone

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No vote here without a 15% raise, profit sharing and free pizza Wednesday. We should take advantage of all this leverage we have. I mean without us they would have less overhead.