Originally Posted by MrBigAir

^^ Anyone interested in copy-pasting this non-compete/training contract clause so many of us on the outside wanting in can make an educated decision? It seems there is interpretation between furloughees, wholly owned, and just contract feed companies.

Personally, I'm not interested in my labor/skills being strong-armed into a corner for two years by company lawyers taking advantage of my meager economic means preventing me from mounting my own defense. I bristle at these tactics. The free movement of labor is part of what supposedly makes this economic system work.

If my time and skills are going to be more appropriately compensated elsewhere, that should be saying something to the employer. This clause could indicate that they are well aware that the compensation package is not necessarily sufficient.

Originally Posted by Kellwolf

I've been at the 85-90 hour mark for 10 of the 12 months I've been here. I certainly am not seeing this as a 13% raise. Guess I'll be seeing my family more and flying less.

Originally Posted by Beechnut58

Here you go. Got this from a buddy......

The Pilot agrees that he/she will not, for a period of two (2) years after the first day of the
Pilot’s initial training class, for any reason accept re-employment with his/her most recent Part
121 air carrier employer, including its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, divisions or groups, and
their respective successors and assigns (collectively, “Part 121 carrier”). For example, if the
Pilot’s first day of initial training is January 3, 2002 and the Pilot voluntarily separates from
employment with the Airline on June 3, 2002, the Pilot cannot accept employment with his most
recent Part 121 carrier until January 4, 2004. This Non-compete will be null and void two (2)
years after the first day of the Pilot’s initial training class.

Originally Posted by Beechnut58

Here you go. Got this from a buddy......

The Pilot agrees that he/she will not, for a period of two (2) years after the first day of the
Pilot’s initial training class, for any reason accept re-employment with his/her most recent Part
121 air carrier employer, including its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, divisions or groups, and
their respective successors and assigns (collectively, “Part 121 carrier”). For example, if the
Pilot’s first day of initial training is January 3, 2002 and the Pilot voluntarily separates from
employment with the Airline on June 3, 2002, the Pilot cannot accept employment with his most
recent Part 121 carrier until January 4, 2004. This Non-compete will be null and void two (2)
years after the first day of the Pilot’s initial training class.

Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull

Notice how there's no monetary number included ( maybe it's in the details)? If it came down to leaving/ going back you could weigh that decision with how much it could cost you, but no. You may get charged sim cost, hotel cost, per dium pay out, free pizza lunch cost ( I'm sure there's a fee with that)...it's up to the company ( and surely not pro-rated)

Originally Posted by benzoate

For our purposes today we will leave section 15 out as non of us are lawyers.

Except first year pilots everyone got a raise. 18% is industry standard for the first year. Jetblue advertised 13%. Unless you are a reserve pilot or fly exactly 78 hours no pilot received the advertised 13%. Years 2 and 3 pay scales will mimic 2014 and few pilots will receive the Jetblue advertised pay raise. So to recap 18% was industry standard and Jetblue claimed 13% but in reality the pilot receives much less. Retirement is now codified 5+3=13.

News flash!!! Jetblue pilots are still well below industry average.

The next issue and equally important, imho, is the lack of inclusion of specific language in the PEA for insurance, the FSM 2007/2010, the 5 documents, proper ASAP language and the $2,000,000 merger fund still floats and is only a supplement AFTER you spend all of your own money.

The Jetblue way is to change a document via email or as of late via comply365 update. No benefits, outside of pay, are guaranteed in the PEA. We aren't much better of than we were before.
The fact the airline is able to change a document at a moments notice, forgive me remain flexible, is a detriment to our pilot group as we have seen with the FSM sections not turned on that were agreed to in 2010. Why, because they are not contractually guaranteed.

I know the rhetoric of nothing is guaranteed. I get it. Bankruptcy nullifies a contract. Jetblue is thriving. We are not a bankrupt company.

Jetblue pilots got raises and that is a great thing but management made it crystal clear yesterday it has ZERO intentions of ever making Jetblue a career destination. Airlines become career destinations because unions negotiate them into that category and not because of managements good will.

Originally Posted by P-3Bubba

My god I can't believe my fingers are typing this..........HE'S RIGHT.

Originally Posted by charge4brendan

Anyone know where we can find a copy of the new PEA? I'm very interested in interviewing/getting hired and just want to be as informed as possible. Airline compensation seems tough to decipher.

Thanks for the help.