Std Deviation

AA is now in the low 70's first year- can't remember if it was 72 or 74. Just sat in the jumpseat of a 73, and also have a friend that's a new hire and one on the APA safety committee over there. Verified.

NoDeskJob

When does 2nd year pay kick in? I.e. indoc begins on 1 april 2015; would 2nd year pay start on 1 april 2016?


I hope.

Thanks for all the input from the JB guys so far.

Std Deviation

To get Thanksgiving and Christmas off, and miss three weeks of commuting to JFK in the winter. There's only a couple hundred bucks a month difference between training pay and new hire reserve FO. That was a month of skipping a crash pad, and paying transportation costs, so it worked out nearly the same for me (minus the having to show up in NY part).

Beechnut58

On the anniversary of your DOH. So April 1 If we are using your example.

benzoate

The interesting part is management recently stated at MCO that this logic is fine with them. Turnover saves JetBlue money by reducing seniority. Make no mistake management does not value the pilots as career employees. Management views the employees as liabilities and not assets. One of the Union reps relayed a story of the new CEO showing the order of importance of employees, customers and investors. Employees were last. When questioned he stated that's the way it is even in the face of Fortune 500 companies placing their employees first and then expecting them to take care of the customers.
Legacy carriers are carriers by providing commensurate pay and benefits. Jetblue is just a job with a pay and benefits package rivaling many regional carriers. A large airplane a major does not make.
Can things improve? Absolutely.
Is management incentivized to do so, no.
There is little attrition and thousands of low time pilots applying. Do the math, JetBlue has.

DON*T HATE ERAU

From what I understand it stopped with the last class in December. So new guys in 2015 don't get the bonus.

Beechnut58

Pretty ballsy move considering delta is hiring 100+ a month and the other airlines are doing something similar.

eman

Been wanting to get on with JB myself for a bit and I'm hopeful now with more experience to show but my take from the last few posts is that management really isn't caring about the employees and that it seems like the beginning of a downward slide...am I wrong? Think this can be halted and improved? What will it take on the part of the pilots/union?

If I were hired I'd want to stay for a very long time if not til I retire; but can definitely see why I hear of the guys leaving for bigger/better after reading this info.

To those that have left, was it just for higher pay and better bases for your personal situations or something more to it such as treatment and management changing for the worse? I'm tired of working for people who don't give two craps about their employees..so would be re-thinking my efforts if this is what's in store.

Thanks


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CaptCoolHand

We're on the back side of the slide. Down hill started 7-8 years ago...

That's the reason ALPA represents us now and the recently deceased direct relationship between the company and the pilot group is no more.

Caring will be negotiated.

Flying Elvis

Sorry, I was off by $3. AA 1st year now $75.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/am...-payscale.html