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05-29-2014, 07:26 AM
#1741
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Position: Utah Chapter
Posts: 391
Attrition is steady but not large numbers. Most recalls have returned to UAL and DAL. A few USair continue to leave. The bulk of recalls remaining are AA.
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.
Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.
Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
05-29-2014, 07:42 AM
#1742
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: A320 Right Seat
Posts: 233
It's a 6K bonus.
05-29-2014, 07:58 AM
#1744
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Utah Chapter
Posts: 391
I hope that with new leadership and a quality MEC, you'll see the latter. And I think you will in time, but if not soon, I don't think JB will survive.
05-29-2014, 08:14 AM
#1745
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Posts: 127
From a previous thread, I understood the $6k for new hires at the one year point was a salary correction. The first year pay scale stayed the same when the 13% raise went into effect for everyone else, so I was told, and it was not intended to be an incentive or bonus.
05-29-2014, 08:24 AM
#1746
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It was called a "retention bonus," and yes, at $500/ month, it approximates the 13% pay raise that 2-12+ year pilots got.
05-29-2014, 11:56 AM
#1747
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2 year+ pilots did not receive a 13% unless they fly 78 hours or LESS Typical Jetblue math. Publish data, reference later and claim it as fact.
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).
Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).
Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
05-29-2014, 12:20 PM
#1749
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
2 year+ pilots did not receive a 13% unless they fly 78 hours or LESS Typical Jetblue math. Publish data, reference later and claim it as fact.
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).
Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).
Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
05-29-2014, 03:04 PM
#1750
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Is attrition picking up at jb?
Attrition is steady but not large numbers. Most recalls have returned to UAL and DAL. A few USair continue to leave. The bulk of recalls remaining are AA.
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.
Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Is attrition picking up at jb?
Attrition is steady but not large numbers. Most recalls have returned to UAL and DAL. A few USair continue to leave. The bulk of recalls remaining are AA.
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.
Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
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