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Old 08-18-2023, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
sounds like the SQ captain who was refusing to take a break...not wanting to leave the aircraft in control of two FO's............................like LITERALLY EVERY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!

I have a feeling I know who that was lol
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Old 08-18-2023, 02:58 PM
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They posted a summary of the yearly bid award.

by the end of 2024 every base will be at the new hire level.
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Old 08-18-2023, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
sounds like the SQ captain who was refusing to take a break...not wanting to leave the aircraft in control of two FO's............................like LITERALLY EVERY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!
Depends on the experience (or inexperience) level of those two others...
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Old 08-18-2023, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
They posted a summary of the yearly bid award.

by the end of 2024 every base will be at the new hire level.
So maybe the yearly bid award ought to be done quarterly - or monthly…
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Old 08-18-2023, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
So maybe the yearly bid award ought to be done quarterly - or monthly…
And have someone lose their vacation one year when they upgrade?!? Are you crazy?!?

I don’t remember the whole story, but we used to have quarterly bids. We gave that up in the CBA for some reason to protect vacations when changing seats, etc. Seems like a terrible trade off, but that’s just me. I’m sure someone can provide more details on the how and why. Annual bids allow the company to play with the numbers more too because they can always do a supplemental bid whenever they want. I think the change to the system bid frequency and the reserve grids were two of the biggest gives in our first CBA. Hopefully we can claw that stuff back in the JCBA.
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Old 08-19-2023, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
Hopefully we can claw that stuff back in the JCBA.
**Copy and paste from current Spirit CBA. Crisis averted.
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Old 08-19-2023, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
And have someone lose their vacation one year when they upgrade?!? Are you crazy?!?

I don’t remember the whole story, but we used to have quarterly bids. We gave that up in the CBA for some reason to protect vacations when changing seats, etc. Seems like a terrible trade off, but that’s just me. I’m sure someone can provide more details on the how and why. Annual bids allow the company to play with the numbers more too because they can always do a supplemental bid whenever they want. I think the change to the system bid frequency and the reserve grids were two of the biggest gives in our first CBA. Hopefully we can claw that stuff back in the JCBA.
You are correct. The annual bid was to protect your awarded vacation in case you switched seat or aircraft or base throughout the year.

​​​​​​The change to the reserve grids wasn't intentional, at least from the average voting pilot. I don't know anyone who caught the change while reviewing the TA, and certainly the union didn't tell us about the change or what it would mean. That one was a HUGE F-job by someone.

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Old 08-19-2023, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You are correct. The annual bid was to protect your awarded vacation in case you switched seat or aircraft or base throughout the year.

​​​​​​The change to the reserve grids wasn't intentional, at least from the average voting pilot. I don't know anyone who caught the change while reviewing the TA, and certainly the union didn't tell us about the change or what it would mean. That one was a HUGE F-job by someone.

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The reserve grid change was the biggest giveaway of our CBA.
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Old 08-19-2023, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
The reserve grid change was the biggest giveaway of our CBA.
By the posts from many B6 folk, I would’ve thought it was not codifying profit sharing formulas….
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Old 08-19-2023, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
By the posts from many B6 folk, I would’ve thought it was not codifying profit sharing formulas….
That was already taken from us before the CBA, the reserve grid was given away in the CBA.

Yes, we should have codified PS. That was a massive failure of the CBA
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