SunnyFL

The typical been here 5 mins so don't voice an opinion. Please point out anywhere where I said I can't understand why others aren't blissfully as happy as me. That's quite a stretch saying I am blissfully ignorant when I responded saying what I put in the surveys. That the PS thing ****ed me off. That our healthcare is trash. That we had leverage and blew it. Thing's we agree on. Things I said need to be worked on moving forward. But I guess that makes me blissfully ignorant due to the fact y'all got shafted prior to my arrival and I wasn't here for it.

I simply stated that so many people get caught up in the legacies are the best place to be (subject to everyone's personal opinion and life choices) and based on what I've been told by friends at them the grass doesn't always seem to be greener. End of the day it's my opinion. I am sorry for my OPINION that I don't think the grass is always greener and that people just like to complain to complain. (which you see all the time on here and the farm with things not even related to what we discussed). It's an opinion.

Bluedriver

I'm glad you and I agree on some of the improvements required. But you said several times that people just complain to complain, but maybe they complain because of the things that were taken from them (among other things) before you got here?

SunnyFL

The complain to just complain was a general blanket statement. It wasn't specifically directed towards anyone or the issues we are discussing. It was a broad remark. That is all I meant from it.

Yes I agree that some of these complaints (like ones we've talked about) are valid due to things that have happened in the past. Rightfully so. Hence why I said it doesn't have to be 100% with us or against us mentality. But I've personally seen on here and on the farm the same people who consistently post and its all complaining. Those people who will comment or respond on something that isn't related to profit sharing, pay, work rules etc. and somehow spin it into that just to complain. That is what I meant when I said I think certain people do it just to do it.

DrSmacFum

if you were a betting man, do you think we get Profit Sharing back in the JCBA?

Asking around, the thought seems to be now (JCBA) or never

Bluedriver

Yep, some people are just miserable. Some others get sick and tired of hearing "this place is amazing!" from from guys just off OE and who spent 3 months at the regionals and want to counterbalance that narrative with some history and content of what's been taken. If for no other reason than to give some history of about the ones we negotiate against. How can you win a "war" if you have no knowledge, history or intelligence about how the enemy fights? Without knowledge and history those who weren't here for the battles before wouldn't even approach future battles with the appropriate mindset.

Not directed at you, glad we agree on many of the things to be fixed.

Bluedriver

I do think it's JCBA or "no soup for you".

Yes, I do think we get PS in JCBA. It would be INEXCUSABLE if we didn't. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate. They can't merge ANYTHING without an agreed upon JCBA. That doesn't mean we get $1M per flight hour, but we should get a JCBA that has all the fundamental components of a complete CBA, all the fundamental provisions our company agreed upon peer-set have, plus some of the best items from each of our current CBAs, and a pay rate that at the top of the industry.

Before COVID the company knew they were losing the workgroups over PS, and committed to a PS task force (or similar term) to study the issue, and implement a solution over the following couple years. This was because our peers were getting huge checks and after the company unilaterally changed the formula, we were getting nothing. The whole company was ****ed off. Then COVID.

Through all the LOAs and this extension, I believe the company held PS with a death grip because although they know PS will need to be in the next full CBA (in this case JCBA), they want to hold that bargaining chip to the end and try and get our gains down in other areas. The proverbial horse trade. For this extension there were only 3 items on the agenda, all were going to be gains for us, and frankly the company needed higher pay rates more than us. In other words, they couldn't get anything from us in exchange for PS with the small list of things being addressed for this extension.

The JCBA will be the beginning of a race to combine the companies and solidify a new culture/company, and they may well see that as a good time to give the whole front line company PS, as they had promised to do before COVID, and as they likely know they will have to give the pilots anyway.

The pilots only make up around 20% of the work group, but because of the high wages, they make up the lions share of front line payroll. It's much less expensive than most think to include the rest of the company in the PS plan. And the return on that investment is significant because it gets the other 80% of the workforce rowing in the same direction. And when I say they may be intending to "give" PS to the rest of the company after JCBA, it might be the standard BlueJet "give" where they will take the 10% 401k contribution, and give them a new retirement plan with 5% 401k + PS.

In contrast, the pilots probably would get half or more of the PS dollars, going to 20% of the workforce, and they already think we are overpaid, and culturally pilots already go above and beyond to keep the wheels on the bus. In other words, they don't think we deserve it (already overpaid), they don't think it will pay dividends (pilots are already responsible self-starters who keep the airline moving) and pilots would eat up the loins share of the PS expense. It really is us they don't want to give PS to...

​​​​​​But, we have a CBA, and that CBA says they can't merge the companies without a new CBA that WE agree to.

Now it's critical that the group and BOTH JB and NK unions educate the memberships about the actual VALUE of PS. That education should include the average value of the checks our peers get, on average. And maybe show what JB pilots would get if we had an industry standard plan. ONLY THEN would survey data be valid on this subject.

But yes, if the cards are played right, I believe we get PS in JCBA. Now if guys go around in the cockpit and massage boards talking in a defeatist way about it, it WILL become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It will lower everyone's expectations, which will affect survey data and the outcome. We'd be criminally stupid and hundreds of thousands of dollars poorer over a career to do that. That's a lot of what I have to say on that, but probably not all...
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Bluediver

I believe the term was Task Farce.

Bluedriver

Hahaha, I resisted the urge to say that.

MTAGA

Any idea what the hiring vs attrition numbers are looking like so far in 23?

Flyby1206

Attrition was 31 in Jan, 27 in Feb.

Im not sure what the hiring numbers are for the past 2 months