Its the worst....
12-08-2006, 07:29 PM
#71
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 466
I am stunned he has been able to pull it off this long. B6 guys, what is taking you so long to take a stand? Your rampers going for a union was the shot across the bow....I think you should take the next step. A union does not hurt anyone...look at SWA! I think its nuts to not have a collective voice considering how large you have become and those 190 rates. Also, don't forget what happened to the Morris pilots! You are not special to Neeleman. Just a necessary evil that he must contain.
12-09-2006, 10:41 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: FE, FO, CAPT.
Posts: 200
Ah, Needleman's a piker...he doesn't know the first thing about theft.
Just look what the "Frank Lorenzo wannabees" at the majors have done to their airlines and their employees!
United, Delta, USAir...they all had the same progression: built up by people who cared about their business, their passengers, their employees. Torn down by the money boys from Harvard Business school. These bandits come in, sell off all the equipment/facilities to leasing companies which they control through holding companies/consortiums and then siphon the profits away through the leases. They pay lease rates way above market rates for everything because that's how they make the real money.
They tell their employees that they just can't make a profit because of:
(Pick one)
High fuel prices (everyone pays for fuel!)
High labor costs (Huh?)
Bad economy
Global warming
Bad Karma
The employees have the crap scared out of them when they think the company is going down and they give the thieves whatever they want. The company then goes to bankruptcy court anyway and gets whatever the employees didn't give up voluntarily. Interestingly enough, the equipment leases never seem to be questioned by the bankruptcy judge. Do you think the government is on the scam too?
In the last 25 years, USAir has reported a profit two years...and they stay in business. You tell me they don't have a viable business plan!
Guys, this is the same game plan the railroads used in the late '50s and early 60's. Read all about it. The only thing that saved the railroad workers was that the railroad workers all belonged to the same union. Eventually, the union figured it out and stopped the process. Even though the railroads still whine about being broke, when was the last time you heard of a railroad worker being asked to give up his pay for fuel costs?
Doesn't happen.
If we can ever stop arguing/fighting amongst ourselves long enough to be smart, we, too can put an end to this business model.
So stop accusing each other of being scabs, or other low-lifes. The enemy isn't the other workers, the enemy is greedy management. Let's put our energy where it will do some good.
The choice is ours.
Just look what the "Frank Lorenzo wannabees" at the majors have done to their airlines and their employees!
United, Delta, USAir...they all had the same progression: built up by people who cared about their business, their passengers, their employees. Torn down by the money boys from Harvard Business school. These bandits come in, sell off all the equipment/facilities to leasing companies which they control through holding companies/consortiums and then siphon the profits away through the leases. They pay lease rates way above market rates for everything because that's how they make the real money.
They tell their employees that they just can't make a profit because of:
(Pick one)
High fuel prices (everyone pays for fuel!)
High labor costs (Huh?)
Bad economy
Global warming
Bad Karma
The employees have the crap scared out of them when they think the company is going down and they give the thieves whatever they want. The company then goes to bankruptcy court anyway and gets whatever the employees didn't give up voluntarily. Interestingly enough, the equipment leases never seem to be questioned by the bankruptcy judge. Do you think the government is on the scam too?
In the last 25 years, USAir has reported a profit two years...and they stay in business. You tell me they don't have a viable business plan!
Guys, this is the same game plan the railroads used in the late '50s and early 60's. Read all about it. The only thing that saved the railroad workers was that the railroad workers all belonged to the same union. Eventually, the union figured it out and stopped the process. Even though the railroads still whine about being broke, when was the last time you heard of a railroad worker being asked to give up his pay for fuel costs?
Doesn't happen.
If we can ever stop arguing/fighting amongst ourselves long enough to be smart, we, too can put an end to this business model.
So stop accusing each other of being scabs, or other low-lifes. The enemy isn't the other workers, the enemy is greedy management. Let's put our energy where it will do some good.
The choice is ours.
Last edited by mooneymite; 12-09-2006 at 04:30 PM.
12-10-2006, 06:04 PM
#73
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 324
No, you can't file a grievance. That's only for pilots with contracts. At B6 you are on your own. You can be fired at any time for any reason. The "contract" isn't worth the paper its written on at B6 because its an individual service contract. They are under no obligation to continue paying the wage you hired in on nor maintain the work rules in place the day you got hired.
B6 is a cancer on the airline industry.
B6 is a cancer on the airline industry.
12-10-2006, 06:06 PM
#74
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 324
I am stunned he has been able to pull it off this long. B6 guys, what is taking you so long to take a stand? Your rampers going for a union was the shot across the bow....I think you should take the next step. A union does not hurt anyone...look at SWA! I think its nuts to not have a collective voice considering how large you have become and those 190 rates. Also, don't forget what happened to the Morris pilots! You are not special to Neeleman. Just a necessary evil that he must contain.
12-13-2006, 08:33 AM
#76
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Posts: 24
Gman,
JB sure has you drunk(or brainwashed) on the company cool-aid!! Your on the right road for a management position. As for JB's product-it's not any better than the rest!!!
One more thing,SWA lowered the bar along time ago!!! It's a race to the bottom with SWA,JB and AT leading the way!!!!
JB sure has you drunk(or brainwashed) on the company cool-aid!! Your on the right road for a management position. As for JB's product-it's not any better than the rest!!!
One more thing,SWA lowered the bar along time ago!!! It's a race to the bottom with SWA,JB and AT leading the way!!!!
Last edited by apdriver69; 12-13-2006 at 12:23 PM.
12-13-2006, 08:54 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,838
Gman,
JB sure has you drunk(or brainwashed) on the company cool-aid!! Your on the right road for a mangement position. As for JB's product-it's not any better than the rest!!!
One more thing,SWA lowered the bar along time ago!!! It's a race to the bottom with SWA,JB and AT leading the way!!!!
JB sure has you drunk(or brainwashed) on the company cool-aid!! Your on the right road for a mangement position. As for JB's product-it's not any better than the rest!!!
One more thing,SWA lowered the bar along time ago!!! It's a race to the bottom with SWA,JB and AT leading the way!!!!
12-13-2006, 09:49 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 737NG CA
Posts: 766
12-13-2006, 12:36 PM
#80
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: NU Guy
Posts: 437
Hey apdriver I looked up your profile and you have nothing listed. Without any cred's you look like a wannabe. I'm not saying you are, just appears that way. SWA lowering the bar that's an interesting thought?? Ticket sales maybe, but pilot pay no way (they have rules and bennies) that is unless you are talking 10 years ago. Perhaps you can clarify for us. As for the spanish ehhh Mas o Menos.
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