Its the worst....
12-08-2006, 10:15 AM
#61
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I have never flown on B6, so I don’t know how their service is. I fly a lot on NWA and CAL, and they are not bad. B6 is no longer the cheapest airline out there. Recently my friend flew from SNA-EWR, and CAL was by far cheaper (by 50 bucks or so, and plus she did not have to drive to LGB) then B6. I can see if you are having a beef with pilots, but what do passenger have to do with it?
12-08-2006, 01:33 PM
#64
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if your company is so great get your pay up and stop undercutting everyone. the customers will continue to fly with you even if your ticket prices go up. (if they really mean what they say about not changing airlines) once that happens you can pound your chest all that you want, until then all you've done is undercut your competition. 
Astounding.
12-08-2006, 01:38 PM
#65
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bled labor dry they will have to raise ticket prices or go bankrupt
12-08-2006, 03:49 PM
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12-08-2006, 05:14 PM
#68
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Don't be too hard on the Velocipede. We took a huge paycut and most of us are ****ed off these days. He just chooses to vent on Jetblue pilots. I am not one to argue with him as some of his points are valid...just not stated well. In my humble opinion, the B6 pilots are the ones suffering for their choices and will have to come to the appropriate conclusion that unionization is the way to go. In truth, I feel sorry for B6 pilots. They have no voice, protection or unity in their world. They cannot negotiate pay rates, LTD, reserve policy, transcon turns and the list goes on and on. Everything is imposed on them. I would have a hard time with that considering the industry norm is collective bargaining...does not always produce a win for us but in the long run I think we come out ahead. I have some AF buds over at B6 and word is folks are jumping ship big time and attracting quality talent is getting hard. I think they are going to unionize pretty soon and I hope they do. I really hope Virgin pilots don't decide on the B6 method of employment. That would be suicide. Short term gain for long term pain. Don't harbor too much anger V'Pede! Life is too short to worry about B6 dudes. They will get what is coming to them....good or bad!
12-08-2006, 05:32 PM
#69
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Don't be too hard on the Velocipede. We took a huge paycut and most of us are ****ed off these days. He just chooses to vent on Jetblue pilots. I am not one to argue with him as some of his points are valid...just not stated well. In my humble opinion, the B6 pilots are the ones suffering for their choices and will have to come to the appropriate conclusion that unionization is the way to go. In truth, I feel sorry for B6 pilots. They have no voice, protection or unity in their world. They cannot negotiate pay rates, LTD, reserve policy, transcon turns and the list goes on and on. Everything is imposed on them. I would have a hard time with that considering the industry norm is collective bargaining...does not always produce a win for us but in the long run I think we come out ahead. I have some AF buds over at B6 and word is folks are jumping ship big time and attracting quality talent is getting hard. I think they are going to unionize pretty soon and I hope they do. I really hope Virgin pilots don't decide on the B6 method of employment. That would be suicide. Short term gain for long term pain. Don't harbor too much anger V'Pede! Life is too short to worry about B6 dudes. They will get what is coming to them....good or bad!
By the time I was 33 I was on my fifth carrier due to "moving up", furloughs, bad management, etc. and so I know all to well the need to have a job to pay the bills until something better comes along. I was at Kalitta in the early/mid-90's just as Teamsters was coming on the property. Connie's response was ultimately let the airline fall into "ruins" so as to sell off the majority of the assets to Kittyhawk, and then buy back the whales for pennies on the dollar at a more (that being now) convenient time. While unions, like democracy are not perfect, they are IMO the best system to minimize (not eliminate) the wanton greed and avarice of most airline manglement for those of us to lazy to get "real" jobs like junk bond broker, crack dealer or California realtor.
There are a butt-load of guys and gals out on furlough, underemployed and/or had bad interview days with idiot HR types like at my commuter in the '80's who valued C152 time more than C141 time because it was a bigger number. SO, unless you want to sell junk bonds, over priced real estate or crack in the Bronx and you've done nothing but flying over the years, of course you take the JB job for Pete's sake.
That being said, unless you are a complete koolaid junkie and believe the BS that JB management is selling you at your expense, I'd not strut around too much that you are going to run everybody else out of business and then double your wages.
12-08-2006, 06:02 PM
#70
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There by the grace of [enter higher power of your choice] go I.
By the time I was 33 I was on my fifth carrier due to "moving up", furloughs, bad management, etc. and so I know all to well the need to have a job to pay the bills until something better comes along. I was at Kalitta in the early/mid-90's just as Teamsters was coming on the property. Connie's response was ultimately let the airline fall into "ruins" so as to sell off the majority of the assets to Kittyhawk, and then buy back the whales for pennies on the dollar at a more (that being now) convenient time. While unions, like democracy are not perfect, they are IMO the best system to minimize (not eliminate) the wanton greed and avarice of most airline manglement for those of us to lazy to get "real" jobs like junk bond broker, crack dealer or California realtor.
There are a butt-load of guys and gals out on furlough, underemployed and/or had bad interview days with idiot HR types like at my commuter in the '80's who valued C152 time more than C141 time because it was a bigger number. SO, unless you want to sell junk bonds, over priced real estate or crack in the Bronx and you've done nothing but flying over the years, of course you take the JB job for Pete's sake.
That being said, unless you are a complete koolaid junkie and believe the BS that JB management is selling you at your expense, I'd not strut around too much that you are going to run everybody else out of business and then double your wages.
By the time I was 33 I was on my fifth carrier due to "moving up", furloughs, bad management, etc. and so I know all to well the need to have a job to pay the bills until something better comes along. I was at Kalitta in the early/mid-90's just as Teamsters was coming on the property. Connie's response was ultimately let the airline fall into "ruins" so as to sell off the majority of the assets to Kittyhawk, and then buy back the whales for pennies on the dollar at a more (that being now) convenient time. While unions, like democracy are not perfect, they are IMO the best system to minimize (not eliminate) the wanton greed and avarice of most airline manglement for those of us to lazy to get "real" jobs like junk bond broker, crack dealer or California realtor.
There are a butt-load of guys and gals out on furlough, underemployed and/or had bad interview days with idiot HR types like at my commuter in the '80's who valued C152 time more than C141 time because it was a bigger number. SO, unless you want to sell junk bonds, over priced real estate or crack in the Bronx and you've done nothing but flying over the years, of course you take the JB job for Pete's sake.
That being said, unless you are a complete koolaid junkie and believe the BS that JB management is selling you at your expense, I'd not strut around too much that you are going to run everybody else out of business and then double your wages.
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