First Officer Schedules
08-28-2005, 09:41 AM
#51
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by banger
OK, not to sound flippint ( is that a word?) but have you ever tried to get involved as a part of the scheduling commitee? complaing and filling out the annual survey would seem to me to be the absolute minimum someone who cares would do. I know for a fact LGB was hunting desperatlely to get a replacement when the current rep needed to step down but nobody would pony-up. It always bothers me to hear people complain if they aren't willing to get involved.
If you really think that management is going to take care of us you are sadly mistaken. As mentioned on another post. They will keep things the same as long as they can. Management will only make changes when it is needed to fix operational problems. They will always find something else to spend the $$$ on vs giving it to the employees as a pay increase.
On a side note, no employee should be forced to work on any committee to get changes. If the company won't stand up to their commitments, maybe we need some type of representation to force them to do so. I don't want a UNION, but if the company won't do what is right for us, then I guess that is what it will take, then so be it.
Just my opinion....
FNG
08-28-2005, 09:59 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: A320
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by 2 BLUE
huh? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
ICON,
Man, you have issues. I have worked for companies that don't honor the seniority system, and believe me when I tell you it sucks. In fact, a strong seniority system is one of the core principles upon which ALPA was founded. Pick up a copy of either volume of "Flying the Line" sometime; it's some interesting reading. If you aren't willing to go through just 1/10th of what the founding fathers of ALPA went through, then just stay on the sidelines. Either way, hopefully you never have to work for a company that employs the system you espouse.
The way schedules are done now is attempt to save a little money. It irks you because you think you'd get a little of that money they are saving. Then you turn around and talk about other people being self-centered.
Personally, I think there are whole lot better things to spend a little extra cash on. For instance, how about a real upgrade program? A couple days of ground school and a couple of sims are absolutely ridiculous. Or how about more than 10 reserves a day in the summer months? Or, better yet, ramping up the entire reserve system so LGB aren't treated like ***tards. Of course that doesn't affect you, so you darn sure aren't going to say a word about that; much less actually do something. Again, just merely coaching from the bleachers. Filling out surveys and bit*hing on an anonymous web board are two of the most limp ****ed ways of claiming you are doing something. How about getting a seniority list together with addresses and sending it to the NMB? Or would you just rather complain?
Respectfully,
JayDub
08-28-2005, 12:05 PM
#53
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I guess I am lazy and just a dreamer. I am just going to keep typing in cyberspace until something changes.
Well, off to polish neeleman's shoes so that the price of black tea goes down.
I like to complain. It is so much fun because you listen. If no one listened then it would not be any fun. I also like the internet. This is a match made in heaven.
Well, off to polish neeleman's shoes so that the price of black tea goes down.
I like to complain. It is so much fun because you listen. If no one listened then it would not be any fun. I also like the internet. This is a match made in heaven.
08-28-2005, 07:01 PM
#54
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ICON,
Man, you have issues. I have worked for companies that don't honor the seniority system, and believe me when I tell you it sucks. In fact, a strong seniority system is one of the core principles upon which ALPA was founded. Pick up a copy of either volume of "Flying the Line" sometime; it's some interesting reading. If you aren't willing to go through just 1/10th of what the founding fathers of ALPA went through, then just stay on the sidelines. Either way, hopefully you never have to work for a company that employs the system you espouse.
The way schedules are done now is attempt to save a little money. It irks you because you think you'd get a little of that money they are saving. Then you turn around and talk about other people being self-centered.
Personally, I think there are whole lot better things to spend a little extra cash on. For instance, how about a real upgrade program? A couple days of ground school and a couple of sims are absolutely ridiculous. Or how about more than 10 reserves a day in the summer months? Or, better yet, ramping up the entire reserve system so LGB aren't treated like ***tards. Of course that doesn't affect you, so you darn sure aren't going to say a word about that; much less actually do something. Again, just merely coaching from the bleachers. Filling out surveys and bit*hing on an anonymous web board are two of the most limp ****ed ways of claiming you are doing something. How about getting a seniority list together with addresses and sending it to the NMB? Or would you just rather complain?
Respectfully,
JayDub[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about?....You claim I have issues. How so my friend. You have no idea whether or not I serve on a committee or volunteer my time to help out. PM me and we'll compare notes on who's done what for the company or even better yet where we've flown. Obviously I joke around on this board and try to keep it light (I said as much earlier). I wasn't the one who started throwing stones. As I have stated many times....I like this company and enjoy going to work. I have no plans on leaving. There are just a few problems (one being you). Go back and re-read my posts. Have I once called for a union or any thing to that effect? Don't put words in my mouth tool. This post was about the comical excuses and late scheds the JFK FO's experience every month. That is the only thing I "complained" about. I guess you are not *****ing on an anonymous message board like the rest of us losers, right? BTW what have you done? Dude, the leather jacket comment was a joke ( again like you). Lighten up Frances.
Man, you have issues. I have worked for companies that don't honor the seniority system, and believe me when I tell you it sucks. In fact, a strong seniority system is one of the core principles upon which ALPA was founded. Pick up a copy of either volume of "Flying the Line" sometime; it's some interesting reading. If you aren't willing to go through just 1/10th of what the founding fathers of ALPA went through, then just stay on the sidelines. Either way, hopefully you never have to work for a company that employs the system you espouse.
The way schedules are done now is attempt to save a little money. It irks you because you think you'd get a little of that money they are saving. Then you turn around and talk about other people being self-centered.
Personally, I think there are whole lot better things to spend a little extra cash on. For instance, how about a real upgrade program? A couple days of ground school and a couple of sims are absolutely ridiculous. Or how about more than 10 reserves a day in the summer months? Or, better yet, ramping up the entire reserve system so LGB aren't treated like ***tards. Of course that doesn't affect you, so you darn sure aren't going to say a word about that; much less actually do something. Again, just merely coaching from the bleachers. Filling out surveys and bit*hing on an anonymous web board are two of the most limp ****ed ways of claiming you are doing something. How about getting a seniority list together with addresses and sending it to the NMB? Or would you just rather complain?
Respectfully,
JayDub[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about?....You claim I have issues. How so my friend. You have no idea whether or not I serve on a committee or volunteer my time to help out. PM me and we'll compare notes on who's done what for the company or even better yet where we've flown. Obviously I joke around on this board and try to keep it light (I said as much earlier). I wasn't the one who started throwing stones. As I have stated many times....I like this company and enjoy going to work. I have no plans on leaving. There are just a few problems (one being you). Go back and re-read my posts. Have I once called for a union or any thing to that effect? Don't put words in my mouth tool. This post was about the comical excuses and late scheds the JFK FO's experience every month. That is the only thing I "complained" about. I guess you are not *****ing on an anonymous message board like the rest of us losers, right? BTW what have you done? Dude, the leather jacket comment was a joke ( again like you). Lighten up Frances.
08-28-2005, 07:07 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by 2 BLUE
I guess I am lazy and just a dreamer. I am just going to keep typing in cyberspace until something changes.
Well, off to polish neeleman's shoes so that the price of black tea goes down.
I like to complain. It is so much fun because you listen. If no one listened then it would not be any fun. I also like the internet. This is a match made in heaven.
Well, off to polish neeleman's shoes so that the price of black tea goes down.
I like to complain. It is so much fun because you listen. If no one listened then it would not be any fun. I also like the internet. This is a match made in heaven.
I think that is the funniest thing I have ever read.
08-28-2005, 09:27 PM
#56
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: A320
Posts: 76
[/QUOTE][/B]
Obviously I joke around on this board and try to keep it light (I said as much earlier)... Lighten up Frances.[/QUOTE]
For just "joking around", you sure use fu$$ and tool a lot.
Respectfully,
JayDub
p.s. PM me any time. I'd love to hear from you.
Obviously I joke around on this board and try to keep it light (I said as much earlier)... Lighten up Frances.[/QUOTE]
For just "joking around", you sure use fu$$ and tool a lot.
Respectfully,
JayDub
p.s. PM me any time. I'd love to hear from you.
08-28-2005, 09:41 PM
#57
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Obviously I joke around on this board and try to keep it light (I said as much earlier)... Lighten up Frances.[/QUOTE]
For just "joking around", you sure use fu$$ and tool a lot.
Respectfully,
JayDub
p.s. PM me any time. I'd love to hear from you.[/QUOTE][/B]
I don't think I used F--- ever, but tool, yes I am guilty. The sarcastic nature of my replies is due do the negative responses and lack of real dialogue that has been created. I should not have stated that you are a "tool". Tell me, isn't there a middle ground somewhere. DB is always asking what we can due to make this a better place. How boring would this board be if we had topics like " HOW TO BETTER USE THE MCDU" and "THE AUTO COFFEE MAKER IN THE BREAK ROOM IS SWELL". I think some of us are just pointing out issues that affect us. Not deal breakers, just ways to make some of our lives better. I would love to hear how we can make everyones life better. Not just JFk FO's. I find it disturbing that you can't respect our concerns. Any way we are all in this together.
Later
08-28-2005, 09:52 PM
#58
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: A320
Posts: 76
QUOTE][/B]
I don't think I used F--- ever, but tool, yes I am guilty.
Later[/QUOTE]
WTF is short hand for What the Fu$K. If that isn't how you meant it, exactly what did you mean?
Secondly, I know it is tempting to think we can always reinvent the wheel around here, but there are quite a few mechanisms (like a seniority system) that are hard to beat. I may seem shallow and self-centered for that view, but so be it (summer jacket wearer, I think was the term?), but there are multiple examples of airlines that have eventually drawn the same conclusion. You have to be very, very careful what you espouse; someone may hear you.
Respectfully,
JayDub
I don't think I used F--- ever, but tool, yes I am guilty.
Later[/QUOTE]
WTF is short hand for What the Fu$K. If that isn't how you meant it, exactly what did you mean?
Secondly, I know it is tempting to think we can always reinvent the wheel around here, but there are quite a few mechanisms (like a seniority system) that are hard to beat. I may seem shallow and self-centered for that view, but so be it (summer jacket wearer, I think was the term?), but there are multiple examples of airlines that have eventually drawn the same conclusion. You have to be very, very careful what you espouse; someone may hear you.
Respectfully,
JayDub
08-29-2005, 07:43 AM
#59
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I don't think I used F--- ever, but tool, yes I am guilty.
Later[/QUOTE]
WTF is short hand for What the Fu$K. If that isn't how you meant it, exactly what did you mean?
Secondly, I know it is tempting to think we can always reinvent the wheel around here, but there are quite a few mechanisms (like a seniority system) that are hard to beat. I may seem shallow and self-centered for that view, but so be it (summer jacket wearer, I think was the term?), but there are multiple examples of airlines that have eventually drawn the same conclusion. You have to be very, very careful what you espouse; someone may hear you.
Respectfully,
JayDub[/QUOTE][/B]
Regarding the WTF. It is short for What the Feck. So I get a pass. JayDUB, I don't see where I am trying to reinvent the wheel or go around the seniority system. I cannot even find where you would draw that conclusion from my posts. There does seem to be a bit of entitlement at this company by a few of the senior pilots but not enough to do anything other than laugh at. C'mon you know it's funny when a guy says. "I am glad I chose New air over Delta six years ago". "Best decision I ever made". Like it was a choice on their part. But, again I ask you, respectfully, where did I ask to get around the seniority system. The post I made about fixing the schedule delivery was obviously an attempt at having a little fun. I think you need to respect everyones concerns. Not caring if FO's are getting our scheds on the 27th is a bit short sighted.
LATER
I don't think I used F--- ever, but tool, yes I am guilty.
Later[/QUOTE]
WTF is short hand for What the Fu$K. If that isn't how you meant it, exactly what did you mean?
Secondly, I know it is tempting to think we can always reinvent the wheel around here, but there are quite a few mechanisms (like a seniority system) that are hard to beat. I may seem shallow and self-centered for that view, but so be it (summer jacket wearer, I think was the term?), but there are multiple examples of airlines that have eventually drawn the same conclusion. You have to be very, very careful what you espouse; someone may hear you.
Respectfully,
JayDub[/QUOTE][/B]
Regarding the WTF. It is short for What the Feck. So I get a pass. JayDUB, I don't see where I am trying to reinvent the wheel or go around the seniority system. I cannot even find where you would draw that conclusion from my posts. There does seem to be a bit of entitlement at this company by a few of the senior pilots but not enough to do anything other than laugh at. C'mon you know it's funny when a guy says. "I am glad I chose New air over Delta six years ago". "Best decision I ever made". Like it was a choice on their part. But, again I ask you, respectfully, where did I ask to get around the seniority system. The post I made about fixing the schedule delivery was obviously an attempt at having a little fun. I think you need to respect everyones concerns. Not caring if FO's are getting our scheds on the 27th is a bit short sighted.
LATER
08-29-2005, 08:15 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by ICON
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Regarding the WTF. It is short for What the Feck. So I get a pass. JayDUB, ..... I think you need to respect everyones concerns. Not caring if FO's are getting our scheds on the 27th is a bit short sighted.
LATER
Regarding the WTF. It is short for What the Feck. So I get a pass. JayDUB, ..... I think you need to respect everyones concerns. Not caring if FO's are getting our scheds on the 27th is a bit short sighted.
LATER
ICON
After re-reading everyone of JayDub's posts on this thread I don't see anywhere that he may have inferred non-caring about FO schedules. In one post he even made suggestions for improvement. In fact it seems all his posts respect concerns, he puts more value on some then others. What am I missing?
-Banger
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