SitBackRelax

EXACTLY!! We're a new, rapidly growing airline in a historically brutal industry operating in one of the most challenging economic environments ever seen. What could possibly happen???

Now excuse me while I go wipe the tears of laughter away so that I can see the screen again. Or did I miss the sarcasm in the original post?...

FNG320

It is my understanding that FLL and LGB are done first because they are "easy" STS (minimal denial, unstacking, etc)..... But how often have you and I been told to do the hard stuff first and then relax on the easy stuff latger. By doing JFK first, then FLL and LGB, that is exactly what they could do, and FLL and LGB would still get their final schedule (end of the last window) before JFK due to the short processing time for their PTO/Triptrade/Opentime windows comaired to JFK. But it would at least get JFK there final schedule a couple days sooner.



Just my opinion....

FNG

ICON

[QUOTE=B6Guy]ICON, so how would you improve this 'late' JFK FO scheduling?. One idea above is to delay FLL and LGB so they are just as 'late' as the JFK sched. Great Values.

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All right before this gets out of hand and turns into flight info, I am trying to keep this as light as possible with out everyone getting ****ed off. I think I've come up with a tangible solution. How Do I improve schedules? First I run JFK FO's before everyone else's. Then I give JFK FO's a chance to remove 10 no.... 20 % of the bad trips and send them to FLL. Then, of course, the JFK captains (unfortunately some trips will not be available for IOE, but a list of those will be provided before the captain bid). Then I run everyone else's (the order does not matter, as I am based in New York). All of this is subject to change however as I hope to upgrade one day.

As far as your options I was only kidding. I was just implying that that not all of our compensation is the same. But it was only a joke, I didn't mean anything personal. Remember I like this company....I just think there are some problems that could be fixed (see solution above).

FNG320

[QUOTE=B6Guy]ICON, so how would you improve this 'late' JFK FO scheduling?. One idea above is to delay FLL and LGB so they are just as 'late' as the JFK sched. Great Values.

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B6Guy and ICON,

There is nothing wrong with my values. How are yours? Just trying to even the playing field. By doing JFK first, JFK will get their final schedule a day or two sooner, where as FLL and LGB will get their final schedule a day or two later than they currently do, however FLL and LGB will still get their final schedule a couple of days before JFK as FLICA windows take longer to process for JFK [a day or more per windows vs a couple of hours for FLL/LGB.] Remember, Classbid is done serial, but the PTO/triptrade/opentime windows in FLICA are done parallel.

Remember, this applies to JFK vs FLL/LGB Captains as well.

Hey, if you want to talk unfair.... JFK FOs bear the brunt of OE and IOE by losing a large number of very productive pairings that are withheld from our bidding, where FLL and LGB lose almost none.

Just my opinion....

FNG

automatique

[QUOTE=FNG320]Hey! Then just bid LGB or FLL!!!

I'm KIDDING!!!! I agree with you!
That just seems to be the typical response when differences between bases are pointed out

2 BLUE

I think DELL has a special on desktops. We should get a couple so we can get some computing power. When BOS, MCO open up and the 190 bids come on top of that we are going to have to stop using a chalkboard.

B6Guy

Someone find out if the LBG and FLL bids are run along side the JFK or run first. My understanding is that they all go into the computer at the same time. Both Captain and First Officer.


I'll try to ask someone, but if the information is that they ARE run concurrently then that won't fit into the 'conspriacy theory' against JFK FO's so I'm sure I won't be believed.


And as for 'loosing productive trips' to IOE and OE. Get a list and see what percentage of Check Airmen are above the 200 seniority level, I believe less than 30-40% . So 60-70% of the IOE and OE schedules are pulled from the below 200 seniority level and let me tell ya, the pairings at that level are not the greatest.

So I don't buy that complaint either.

FNG320

You need to look at some of the top bidder/check airmen on the JFK Capt awards. Carr, Applebauch, Kellums, etc, often do a lot of SJU and DEN day trips that all go to OE/IOE. Just look for yourself. That adds up to a lot of productivity. Yes, there are some check airmen that slug along in the lower 50%, but there are a lot in the top 20% also. Again, look for yourself over the last 6 months.

Just my opinion.....

FNG

B6Guy

Of course the very senior guys have great pairings. The company was once very small and they were the check guys. But there are more and more check airmen above 200, and they do a lot of IOE and OE too. I've flown with many FO's who did not have the most wonderful, productive pairings for their IOE, and they commented on it.

I really enjoyed my OE flights with Jon. It was the first and last time I flew a daytime SJU trip. So what do we do?? Tell the senior CA's that they are not allowed to have productive pairings?? Because it is so unfair to the lineholder FO's??

Give me a break, There are TONS of great pairings, that senior FO's fly, I often take a look at their sched when we fly together and am amazed. Not all the gravy trips are flown by CA's. The only reason I'm flying a productive trip they were awarded is because of FLICA.

I'm sure that the FLL and LGB FO sched is FINISHED first NOT done first, again because of size of the base.

What do you do? Look at the senior awards and flog yourself because you aren't senior enough to hold lines like that. That is not healthy, get over it. It is like being married to a wonderful woman and just always wishing that she was just a little prettier, thinner, hornier, etc. Perfect prescription for unhappiness and a divorce. Do you ever look at the bright side of anything??

automatique

The majority of OE trips should be upstate turns. More t/o and lnds than sitting watching clouds go by on the way to SJU. At least ONE overwater, but mostly quick turns to get the most repetitions