JetBlue and Southwest
12-28-2005, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Meworry?
JB isn't going anywhere. Wishful thinking by some (see above). As for pay scales, I kind of hope more pilots turn us down...might increase pay for us. It is true that SWA has much better pay, but no one on this board knows what the situation will be five years from now (they may pretend to know, though). So, I say stick with quality of life for your decision. We have no crystal balls around here. On balance, SWA is a great company, you couldn't do better. First things first...pass your interviews.
Capt. dad it looks like you made your decision with the avitar
12-28-2005, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Dad
I know about the pay scale. I live in Minneapolis. Jetblue will be making a Midwest base in the next year or so. I am worried that Jetblue might not make it, but I am most worried about quality of life. All things considered equal...which one has a better quality of life.
Let's say I am hired at both(Thank you God!) I know perfect scenario, but let's just say. I think SWA is a better move for obvious reasons.
Is the quality of life better at Jetblue enough to make me want to stay? Or should I leave, if SWA calls? One year later? Two years later? God forbid, Three years Later?
Does anyone have experience with both? It is so hard to get advice from only one side. I will accept any info. I Love all the stories and still love aviation. It is one hell of a life and hope to do it until I am 60. I am 34 so I still have a lot of abuse to take.
Let's say I am hired at both(Thank you God!) I know perfect scenario, but let's just say. I think SWA is a better move for obvious reasons.
Is the quality of life better at Jetblue enough to make me want to stay? Or should I leave, if SWA calls? One year later? Two years later? God forbid, Three years Later?
Does anyone have experience with both? It is so hard to get advice from only one side. I will accept any info. I Love all the stories and still love aviation. It is one hell of a life and hope to do it until I am 60. I am 34 so I still have a lot of abuse to take.
Step 1. If you are even remotely serious about SWA you should consider changing your Avatar.
12-28-2005, 07:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Meworry?]
No offense meant, Meworry. I just can't imagine living anywhere near NYC. Traffic, crappy roads, ****ed-off people, Hilary Clinton
, etc...
Of course, 2 hours range within JFK during the two rush hours is Kew!
Originally Posted by automatique
4)QOL will only be a consideration if you're SENIOR and based at FLL or if REALLY SENIOR, LGB. Probably a moot point. Work QOL won't be a factor if you are willing to live within 2 hours of JFK, but then your time-off QOL will suck because you're within 2 hours of JFK.
I grew up within two hours of JFK, and QOL can be great. Some great places in Conn., NJ that you can afford. Even PA. You can make it within two hours from Darien Conn, or even Danbury. Depends on your family situation.
I grew up within two hours of JFK, and QOL can be great. Some great places in Conn., NJ that you can afford. Even PA. You can make it within two hours from Darien Conn, or even Danbury. Depends on your family situation.
, etc...Of course, 2 hours range within JFK during the two rush hours is Kew!
12-28-2005, 09:42 PM
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[QUOTE=Meworry?]
Do you still live within 2 hours of JFK?
Originally Posted by automatique
4)QOL will only be a consideration if you're SENIOR and based at FLL or if REALLY SENIOR, LGB. Probably a moot point. Work QOL won't be a factor if you are willing to live within 2 hours of JFK, but then your time-off QOL will suck because you're within 2 hours of JFK.
I grew up within two hours of JFK, and QOL can be great. Some great places in Conn., NJ that you can afford. Even PA. You can make it within two hours from Darien Conn, or even Danbury. Depends on your family situation.
I grew up within two hours of JFK, and QOL can be great. Some great places in Conn., NJ that you can afford. Even PA. You can make it within two hours from Darien Conn, or even Danbury. Depends on your family situation.
12-29-2005, 03:39 AM
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Lets see: Jessica Simpson (SWA) or Phyllis Diller (JB)???
All American BOEING!!! or french airbus/Brazillian jungle jet at Brazillian pay??????
New York Yankees (SWA) or Kansas City Royals (JB) no disrespect to Royal fans?????
Filet mignon (SWA) or tuna casserole (JB)???
Did I mention Jessica Simpson?
All American BOEING!!! or french airbus/Brazillian jungle jet at Brazillian pay??????
New York Yankees (SWA) or Kansas City Royals (JB) no disrespect to Royal fans?????
Filet mignon (SWA) or tuna casserole (JB)???
Did I mention Jessica Simpson?
12-29-2005, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Vito
Lets see: Jessica Simpson (SWA) or Phyllis Diller (JB)???
All American BOEING!!! or french airbus/Brazillian jungle jet at Brazillian pay??????
New York Yankees (SWA) or Kansas City Royals (JB) no disrespect to Royal fans?????
Filet mignon (SWA) or tuna casserole (JB)???
Did I mention Jessica Simpson?
All American BOEING!!! or french airbus/Brazillian jungle jet at Brazillian pay??????
New York Yankees (SWA) or Kansas City Royals (JB) no disrespect to Royal fans?????
Filet mignon (SWA) or tuna casserole (JB)???
Did I mention Jessica Simpson?
How could we ever respond to such wit?
You might check on the "All American" Boeing outsourcing, BTW.
12-29-2005, 10:43 AM
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Listen to Automatique
Captain Dad--
I think Automatique is right on with his advice. In the end this will solve itself based on who offers you a job and when.
I can only give you info about Southwest so PM me if you want more info. The upgrade at SWA is getting longer every year. It's approaching 7 years at every base except BWI (let's not even talk about DAL). That's to be expected as it takes longer to move up a longer seniority list. F/O pay is pretty good now and the schedules are good so it's definitely liveable.
Good luck!
S.B.
I think Automatique is right on with his advice. In the end this will solve itself based on who offers you a job and when.
I can only give you info about Southwest so PM me if you want more info. The upgrade at SWA is getting longer every year. It's approaching 7 years at every base except BWI (let's not even talk about DAL). That's to be expected as it takes longer to move up a longer seniority list. F/O pay is pretty good now and the schedules are good so it's definitely liveable.
Good luck!
S.B.
12-29-2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
so you took a low paying airline job and hope others don't do the same so you can hopefully make more. here's a news flash for you YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. You took that job so get a clue, there a thousands just like you and you won't be seeing jetblue pay more in the near future.
12-29-2005, 02:14 PM
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no, he's probably still employed by a major who used to pay well until the "i wanna be a pilot even if i have to pay THEM" crowd took over the industry and alpa stood around with their thumb in their ass trying to find a clue somewhere.
word: JB ain't gonna be around for the long-term. it's a scam. just watch and wait.
word: JB ain't gonna be around for the long-term. it's a scam. just watch and wait.
12-29-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by automatique
So apparently you are unemployed, in protest?
If you don't see the flaw in his thinking (which I think you don't) that's frightning. He takes a low paying job and hopes that others don't do the same. there are thousands just like him who will take a job at jetblue because it pays more then the regional that they work at now. when virgin america starts up they could bring back pay for training and they would still have thousands of hungry little pilots waiting at there door step.
Last edited by Eric Stratton; 12-29-2005 at 05:24 PM.
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