Kill Bill

i guess it hurts working for JB, huh?

actually, i think i summarized the JB experience in my post: 5 year contracts that may be renewed at the whim of management and low pay rates and going lower with the 190's. you probably have a lot of other things that are substandard but these first 2 would be plenty for me to look elsewhere.

i'm glad you enjoy it, though. sounds like a good place for you.

now, please join me in a reading from the book of airbus, chapter 320...

Blue Dude

Yes, and yes. That's exactly right. They don't plan to furlough anyone, you see.

And Kill Bill, if you're going to make statements, at least try to read the replies before you repeat the same (mis)information. I thought I was pretty clear in my reply but you ignored it completely. Tell me why I should bother.

JayDub

My thought exactly.

Respectfully,

JayDub

fireman0174

WADR, no one should ever think they or their airline are invulnerable to flight reductions and furloughs. The history of aviation shows otherwise.

Personally, I think JB pilots should seriously consider becoming unionized, and IMO to organize when "life is good" is a far better option to organizing when the winds turn from being a tail componenmt to a headwind.

And I would NOT consider ALPA, and I paid dues there for 35 years.

Just one man's opinion.

dckozak

Keep hearing about a contract, just don't believe it is a real legally binding, take it court document. Has anyone ever sued, in any legal venue, and forced the parties involved, to live you to its terms??

Eric Stratton

BLue Dude So if jetblue needed to reduce the pilot staff why would they ever furlough if they had to pay out someones contract? Wouldn't they just not renew whoever was ending the 5 year contract and save money that way. They then wouldn't be furloughing out of order they just aren't renewing a contract.

SitBackRelax

..and you did look elsewhere. Congratulations!! You cracked the code! Thanks for playing. See ya!

Jeeeez, you guys are like friggin timeshare salesmen! Our pilot group doesn't want a union right now. I really don't care who understands it or doesn't. Talking about it is fine, we do it all the time at work, but all this kind of babble does is make me think "man, if I'm ever in the position where I feel the need to spend hours talking at another pilot group to try to convince them they're clueless, then it's time to leave the industry." So no, no union for now. At some point we may decide we want one. Until then, I'll thank you to give me my free digital camera and weekend in Orlando and I'll move on.

diamonddd

WRONG, Sir! WRONG! They have enlightened me. I now know we must have a union. I have to start a pairing tomorrow, so I plan to start out the morning angry. I will kick my dog in the ribs as I leave. I will back into my neighbors mailbox. I will poor-mouth JetBlue to the pilots for the carrier I commute on. I will refuse to download bluebooks or check my email. I will fart when I walk past the CP's office. I will not flush the toilet after I drop a deuce in the pilots lounge restroom. I will show up at the gate 48 minutes before scheduled push. I will not tell the cabin crew that we appreciate all they do. I will do the walk around but I won't look in the pitot tubes. On my PA's I will say all of those things that we are not supposed to say per Bushy's PA guide. I will say words like "Late, turbulence, thunderstorms, Yankees suck, I will say that Isreal smells like goats, I will ask for a "wind check" on taxi out. Enroute to RSW, I will begin the complaining just outta ten. I will tell the guy I am flying with how the only way to operate is with a union. I will show him the cards I have from the two previous unions to which I belonged. I don't know, yet, how I will answer when he inevitably asks "Why are you not still there, then?", but I will use some cool catch-phrases like :partners in our future, brotherhood, protecting the profession, leaving it better than when I got there, contract, no furlough clause (oops, I should prolly leave that one out), job security (OOPS, that one too). At RSW, I will tell the F/A's that I am NOT cleaning, and that my job is to fly the airplane. Then I will point to my shoulder boards. "See?" I will mumble the words "this friggin' place" at various intervals throughout my day.
When I am done, and I am at the hotel tonight on my layover, I will get on the internet pilot message boards and moan wildly about Jetblue because I think it makes me feel very good inside. In fact, it makes me feel like a "Big Man". I will call all of my other furloughed buddies that found work with Eagle, Trans States, netjets, Pakistani Air Cargo, Big Jim's tatoo parlor and flight school, etc...and I will tell them how much better off they are than me.

Yep, I gots me a plan and that's how it's going to go down.

dckozak

Now your getting with the program!!

dckozak

[QUOTE=SitBackRelax............. So no, no union for now. At some point we may decide we want one. Until then,............ [/QUOTE]

You will be at MAX power, stick shaker, looking at the trees