The difference? The pay...
01-08-2006, 08:51 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by Kill Bill
wow. where do i start? we aren't BK america west/usair, nor are we BK united, nor are we, thank god, JB selling tickets from JFK to florida for $29.00, a sure winning, long-term strategy. i guess you didn't want retirement with that, right?
it may have taken us 15 years (not 30) to go in the right direction but at least we WENT in the right direction, unlike scientology airlines. you seem to forget that when bob six ran CO it was the premier U.S. airline. lorenzo's rape of the company is a relatively recent thing. ALL of that, however, is ancient history for purposes of this pointless discussion.
our "givebacks" were ill-advised as a clear case can be made that the company didn't need concessions. unfortunately, when you have management wannabe stooges running your union, this is what happens. it's a cautionary tale for everyone to think about before voting for "partnership accords" with management; they will only go one way. oh, wait; your whole business plan, employment policy, 5-year contract, low pay and going lower-thing is one GIGANTIC "partnership accord". may you be blessed with the same kind of results we've had with it. BTW, the "givebacks were 9 months ago, at the tail-end of everyone else's givebacks, they weren't "2 years ago". you like to whine about facts; yours are AWOL.
now, roll over, go back to sleep, and don't forget to pray to neeleman before you drop off.
it may have taken us 15 years (not 30) to go in the right direction but at least we WENT in the right direction, unlike scientology airlines. you seem to forget that when bob six ran CO it was the premier U.S. airline. lorenzo's rape of the company is a relatively recent thing. ALL of that, however, is ancient history for purposes of this pointless discussion.
our "givebacks" were ill-advised as a clear case can be made that the company didn't need concessions. unfortunately, when you have management wannabe stooges running your union, this is what happens. it's a cautionary tale for everyone to think about before voting for "partnership accords" with management; they will only go one way. oh, wait; your whole business plan, employment policy, 5-year contract, low pay and going lower-thing is one GIGANTIC "partnership accord". may you be blessed with the same kind of results we've had with it. BTW, the "givebacks were 9 months ago, at the tail-end of everyone else's givebacks, they weren't "2 years ago". you like to whine about facts; yours are AWOL.
now, roll over, go back to sleep, and don't forget to pray to neeleman before you drop off.
your excuses are great!!! continental only in business for 15 years?? funny how i was working their ramp in 1986 watching their pilots bend over.
your boys keep the bar down throughout the 90's for the rest of the legacy carriers. then your "wannabe stooges" FINALLY get a industry standard contract ONLY to have you suckers GIVE IT BACK. (and you "preach" to us how our contract is a joke)... seems yours wasnt worth the paper it was written on....
now, go outside, sniff more of that newark gas, so you can "trip" on how co pilots are protecting the profession, by having a useless "collective bargaining agreement".........
Last edited by bluebrother; 01-08-2006 at 10:29 AM.
01-08-2006, 12:02 PM
#103
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hey, i heard UA took paycuts in 1953! those bastards! you wanna talk about screwing up the industry!
and how about those airmail pilots in 1933, huh?
hey, blueballs, i mean, bluebrother, in case you haven't noticed, and judging by your posts, you haven't, the current industry slide started after 911. i know you love to blame "scabenental" for the JB contract (5 years, right? nothing better than a company who recognizes your contributions by giving you individual, personal 5-year contracts that may or may not renew) but until you guys decided you could make piles of money (hint: the piles are for neeleman, not you serfs) selling $19.00 seats, we were in pretty good shape as an industry.
but, heck, i welcome you guys to the bloodletting! i'm thankfully out of it in about 8 years and you can have the careers of your lives living on less than i made 10 years ago!
now, don't forget to get out your copy of "jet blue: how to turn otherwise intelligent people into automatons who spout the company line and don't question anything, for fun and profit" (l. ron neeleman's profit, not yours). it's the companion book to "airlinetics: the new science of koolaid drinking" by l. ron neeleman.
"l. ron, l. ron, l. ron, l. ron..."
and how about those airmail pilots in 1933, huh?
hey, blueballs, i mean, bluebrother, in case you haven't noticed, and judging by your posts, you haven't, the current industry slide started after 911. i know you love to blame "scabenental" for the JB contract (5 years, right? nothing better than a company who recognizes your contributions by giving you individual, personal 5-year contracts that may or may not renew) but until you guys decided you could make piles of money (hint: the piles are for neeleman, not you serfs) selling $19.00 seats, we were in pretty good shape as an industry.
but, heck, i welcome you guys to the bloodletting! i'm thankfully out of it in about 8 years and you can have the careers of your lives living on less than i made 10 years ago!
now, don't forget to get out your copy of "jet blue: how to turn otherwise intelligent people into automatons who spout the company line and don't question anything, for fun and profit" (l. ron neeleman's profit, not yours). it's the companion book to "airlinetics: the new science of koolaid drinking" by l. ron neeleman.
"l. ron, l. ron, l. ron, l. ron..."
01-09-2006, 05:15 AM
#104
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Your right, we're wrong
Originally Posted by bluebrother
bill the hypocrite;
get your facts straight: .........................
C. we dislike the 190 payrates, but rest assured, if that a/c is profitable, there will be a raise.. i guess well have to suck it up until that happens . ...............
get your facts straight: .........................
C. we dislike the 190 payrates, but rest assured, if that a/c is profitable, there will be a raise.. i guess well have to suck it up until that happens . ...............
I just spent a week of flying in and out of JFK. Its a piece of cake!! Do anything long enough and you can figure it out. Anyway pilots skills are highly over rated. Its not the pilots who make it happen, its the "gee whiz" software some French software writer put in the Airbus, that's where the real value is.
As far as being profitable. They got a stake in the company, stock, they're shareholders, just like executive management. And if JB decides that fares to Florida need to be $29 each way, well....
I'm resting easy......you just keep sucking it up
01-27-2006, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kill Bill
yes, we did and we reversed it. or do you still view CAL as it was under lorenzo 20 years ago?
And when your wife needs to go to the Dr. in the first 6 months, who pays the bill?
Fix your house before you worry about anybody else!!
01-27-2006, 07:00 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by Indy refugee
Question for you. Who makes more a 1st yr EMB190FO or a first year 737 CAL FO?
And when your wife needs to go to the Dr. in the first 6 months, who pays the bill?
Fix your house before you worry about anybody else!!
And when your wife needs to go to the Dr. in the first 6 months, who pays the bill?
Fix your house before you worry about anybody else!!
01-27-2006, 08:23 AM
#108
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Originally Posted by Indy refugee
Question for you. Who makes more a 1st yr EMB190FO or a first year 737 CAL FO?
And when your wife needs to go to the Dr. in the first 6 months, who pays the bill?
Fix your house before you worry about anybody else!!
And when your wife needs to go to the Dr. in the first 6 months, who pays the bill?
Fix your house before you worry about anybody else!!
did l. ron give you an autographed copy of "airlinetics"?
01-27-2006, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Kill Bill
i hope your five-year contract is renewed.
did l. ron give you an autographed copy of "airlinetics"?
did l. ron give you an autographed copy of "airlinetics"?
Good thing all those pilots at UAL, USAir, and CO didn't have to worry about losing their jobs, huh?!?!
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