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Old 05-11-2024, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
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correct…I said that backwards. 4 hours late because my airplane was stolen for another inop airplane and on the parking van doing a JFK turn will do those things to you. (why have one flight late that’s 1/2 full when you can have two and 50 misconnects in your main hub)
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Old 05-12-2024, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
exactly. We won't know the full outcome of this displacement until we see the vacancies on the system bid.

im guessing we will see more than 80 for the entire year of 2025.
Obviously if there are 80+ CA vacancies on the annual, that doesn't mean the same CAs that lose their seat will necessarily get a CA seat back though. Some of the bottom E190 drivers won't have the juice to hold seats on more desirable frames, and I don't think their displacement rights will fix that. Correct?

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Old 05-12-2024, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Obviously if there are 80+ CA vacancies on the annual, that doesn't mean the same CAs that lose their seat will necessarily get a CA seat back though. Some of the bottom E190 drivers won't have the juice to hold seats on more desirable frames, and I don't think their displacement rights will fix that. Correct?

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correct, we have #4500 seniority pilots in the left seat of the 190. Many in that range will wind up in the right seat again.
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Old 05-12-2024, 05:17 AM
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Will they run the displacement rights first? Then the vacancies? How does it usually work
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Old 05-12-2024, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Airbusjunkie
Will they run the displacement rights first? Then the vacancies? How does it usually work
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​​​​​​​Vacancies are awarded first and this may help minimize displacements, which are disruptive to both our airline and the individual pilots impacted.
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Old 05-12-2024, 06:49 AM
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Ok because The chart was showing 1 vacancy for jfk 320 ca ,1 jfk 320 ca sq , 1 bos 320 ca
not much ca vacancies at all will be interesting to see how that goes however we have had a few retirements
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Old 05-12-2024, 07:43 AM
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The results from this bid are going to look bad on paper for a few weeks. Lots of backward movement and seat losses. However, a good majority of it will be mitigated a couple weeks later during the system bid. All of it? No, but a lot of it. We are net positive airframes in 2025 not to mention the extension of the old birds.

There will still be some very junior captains that get kicked back to the left seat, but let's be honest, if the 190 wasn't going away those pilots would have never been able to hold that seat anyway. It was a temporary gig and they should have known that going into it.

The next two bids will just normalize the left seat seniority back to a historic percentage on the list.
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Old 05-13-2024, 05:27 AM
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Ironically, if there is a large amount of voluntary displacements those super junior E190 CAs will be spared and the majority of CA displacements will come off the other fleets. Those E190 CAs currently in the top 25-50 % will take the biggest relative seniority hit if they stay so may just elect to bid off via voluntary displacement. Displaced 220/320 CAs can of course bid 190CA and push the junior guys E190 guys out as a result, but many may not given the future of the 190.
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Old 05-13-2024, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Whica Flore
Ironically, if there is a large amount of voluntary displacements those super junior E190 CAs will be spared and the majority of CA displacements will come off the other fleets. Those E190 CAs currently in the top 25-50 % will take the biggest relative seniority hit if they stay so may just elect to bid off via voluntary displacement. Displaced 220/320 CAs can of course bid 190CA and push the junior guys E190 guys out as a result, but many may not given the future of the 190.
I believe Jeff or Warren said the plan is for the remaining 190 CAs to be displaced on the Annual bid in August, so even if there was some messy displacement stuff on this bid it could be cleared up with the Annual Bid and an effective date before the Supplemental bid 3/25 date.
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Old 05-13-2024, 03:28 PM
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No JetTothePoint today? shareholder meeting moved from later in the year to this Friday? Hmm
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