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04-15-2024, 09:41 AM
#161
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 998
There is zero means to growing in ORD. You would pull resources out of places that we need to be reinforcing like BOS and FLL to put them in ORD to eventually get run out of town by UA and AA. It would quite literally be impossible to compete. The only midwestern city that wouldn’t be constrained is maybe Detroit and even that’s a stretch. The Midwest makes zero sense a growing city would be the best bet now such as an Austin. And it would still be country center.
04-15-2024, 10:28 AM
#162
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 71
So just give up on the Midwest because….a pilot said so? That makes sense. With the right people, the right city, and the right commitment, I’m quite sure it’s possible. It would reuqure a “growth” plan. Not a “rob Peter to pay Paul” plan. But that’s something our management seems incapable of. I hope Joanna surprises me and turns this place around…we’re certainly counting on it.
04-15-2024, 10:56 AM
#163
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: blueJet
Posts: 4,535
One NY snowstorm can cripple our entire airline for four days and whizz away all profits we were hoping to make that quarter.
This has happened time and time again in my decade at JetBlue. And we never learn from them.
It frustrates me beyond words that we continue to double-down on JFK knowing that our ONLY strategy is: "Hope there aren't snowstorms."
This has happened time and time again in my decade at JetBlue. And we never learn from them.
It frustrates me beyond words that we continue to double-down on JFK knowing that our ONLY strategy is: "Hope there aren't snowstorms."
04-15-2024, 11:48 AM
#164
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,665
So just give up on the Midwest because….a pilot said so? That makes sense. With the right people, the right city, and the right commitment, I’m quite sure it’s possible. It would reuqure a “growth” plan. Not a “rob Peter to pay Paul” plan. But that’s something our management seems incapable of. I hope Joanna surprises me and turns this place around…we’re certainly counting on it.
I think we will continue to retreat to the east coast hubs and max out BOS/JFK/FLL and then turn BOS/FLL into more traditional connect hubs with banks of inbound/outbound flights. Particularly with BOS connecting to Europe. JFK will remain O&D focused because of the poopshow it is on a blue sky day.
With an alliance membership we could probably do better with serving Midwest cities to the east coast hubs, but I think it’s just as likely we are sold/merged before that point.
04-15-2024, 03:08 PM
#165
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 998
In an alternate universe I could see us partnering with AA/oneworld and leasing gates in ORD to grow into a focus city supporting AA. But that’s a distant alternate universe and it ain’t happening here with Uncle Carl hanging around.
I think we will continue to retreat to the east coast hubs and max out BOS/JFK/FLL and then turn BOS/FLL into more traditional connect hubs with banks of inbound/outbound flights. Particularly with BOS connecting to Europe. JFK will remain O&D focused because of the poopshow it is on a blue sky day.
With an alliance membership we could probably do better with serving Midwest cities to the east coast hubs, but I think it’s just as likely we are sold/merged before that point.
I think we will continue to retreat to the east coast hubs and max out BOS/JFK/FLL and then turn BOS/FLL into more traditional connect hubs with banks of inbound/outbound flights. Particularly with BOS connecting to Europe. JFK will remain O&D focused because of the poopshow it is on a blue sky day.
With an alliance membership we could probably do better with serving Midwest cities to the east coast hubs, but I think it’s just as likely we are sold/merged before that point.
04-16-2024, 03:09 AM
#166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,929
Agree with pretty much everything you said. It will take an alliance to grow and be viable…especially in markets we don’t currently serve. Icahn is the X factor. If this airline can turn things around and become even moderately profitable, he’ll easily triple his money. Or he shrinks it to package it and sell it. Who knows.
04-16-2024, 03:48 AM
#167
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 21
From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
04-16-2024, 03:59 AM
#169
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 245
From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
04-16-2024, 05:28 AM
#170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,929
From the jump seat: B6 dropping Gatwick and Amsterdam and the phrase wide body is not in the dictionary anymore. Big changes happening. It is interesting to see and picking up the routes that B6 is dropping. Robin had his nose on everything and obviously he screwed it up. Joanna letting people actually do their job.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
It feels like B6 is just a couple steps behind NK.
What are the other big changes?
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