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06-20-2024, 02:24 PM

#51

CareerPivot

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Originally Posted by GrayFlyer

Is your math accounting for attrition? I've heard it's "down", but that's just a verbal statement they told us at CQ, no real numbers. Also, is LA attrition the same as JFK? Not to mention it may be artificially down because OALs are calling less right now. #Boeing. CP has told us the flight hours are remaining the same. .

No, wasn't factoring in attrition. Just the few FO>Capt upgrades and newhires coming in. Agree with you 100%, though. Flying definitely isn't sexy from the west coast (pretty much only JFK, BOS and PR/DR layovers and I think that's what we'll see for a while), but the pairings are more efficient it seems. 19+hr 3 days? Haven't seen that in a long time. CP told me that we're taking some of the flying from JFK, but pretty sure that's just the transcon stuff. I've heard that JW has said he could close LAX today if he wanted, but can't imagine they'd do that. The transcons make a ton of money and they can't do that without pilots here. Plus we're the mop-up crew when the $hit hits the fan on the east coast.

06-20-2024, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GrayFlyer

Is your math accounting for attrition? I've heard it's "down", but that's just a verbal statement they told us at CQ, no real numbers.

At recurrent for me they said attrition is 25% of what they had planned for, which is a factor in why hiring has slowed until probably Q4 they said.

06-28-2024, 02:00 PM

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Leadership lunch this week they said LAX base will start flying transcon locals with an augmented crew in November. Will be on the fall QDL.

06-28-2024, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MinFlyer

Leadership lunch this week they said LAX base will start flying transcon locals with an augmented crew in November. Will be on the fall QDL.

that's interesting. do any other airlines do that? i've never heard of that.

06-28-2024, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MinFlyer

Leadership lunch this week they said LAX base will start flying transcon locals with an augmented crew in November. Will be on the fall QDL.

Did they say why? Also, what else was discussed?

06-28-2024, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MinFlyer

Leadership lunch this week they said LAX base will start flying transcon locals with an augmented crew in November. Will be on the fall QDL.

I don't want to believe this. With the NE airspace, these will fall apart very easily. However, if true, they will be very productive. I hope one of those legs isn't a red eye.

06-28-2024, 06:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MinFlyer

Leadership lunch this week they said LAX base will start flying transcon locals with an augmented crew in November. Will be on the fall QDL.

What exactly is a “ transcon local”?

06-28-2024, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bgood

Did they say why? Also, what else was discussed?

They didn't say too much about why. Just trying to keep the base relevant I suppose. Honestly, that was the only news of note. It was before the hiring freeze was announced.

They didn't have too many specifics for which routes or frequency, but mentioned Palm Beach as a top option.

06-29-2024, 02:42 AM

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Flyby1206

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bgood

Did they say why? Also, what else was discussed?

it would increase pilot productivity and reduce staffing requirements. Probably help LAX maintain 1-day pairing requirements per the CBA.

06-29-2024, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ARL120384

I don't want to believe this. With the NE airspace, these will fall apart very easily. However, if true, they will be very productive. I hope one of those legs isn't a red eye.

I’d imagine it would be only the mid morning LAX 7am-9am departures that would be operated as turns. If there was a massive delay it would be relatively easy to recrew the return leg before the 1st flight landed.

I doubt you see JFK-LAX-JFK turns for the airspace/delay reasons you mentioned. That return leg LAX-JFK would be a doozy