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01-17-2024, 07:06 AM
#861
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JB pilots dodged a bullet yesterday. Is it better to negotiate a JCBA with a pilot group which has a demonstrated history of making huge advancements in negotiations, or one which needs large leaps just to come up to industry average and is willing to die on a "drop to zero" hill at the expense of important contract items?
01-17-2024, 08:40 AM
#862
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For years now myself (and others of course) have said HA is who we should combine forces with. Overnight we get widebodies, they get Atlantic/Western Europe reach and we get more West Coast and Pacific ops. Now? Well, we just gave Spirit half a billion dollars for nothing. I'd rather our money stay inhouse now out of fear of losing even more on acquisition/merger attemps that the government could strike down.
01-17-2024, 09:03 AM
#863
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Arrogance? It's reality.
If a Spirit pilot could choose whether to merge with DL/UA/no one or Frontier/Avelo, which would they prefer? Obviously the merger partner (or lack of one) which gives them a chance at better gains than the alternative.
If a Spirit pilot could choose whether to merge with DL/UA/no one or Frontier/Avelo, which would they prefer? Obviously the merger partner (or lack of one) which gives them a chance at better gains than the alternative.
01-17-2024, 09:04 AM
#864
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It certainly isn't a crazy thought. I'd operate the brands separately, like AS intends to do, and shift all narrowbody flying to the JB certificate (JB opens a HNL 320 base, planes painted in HA colors operated by Jetblue airways) while putting all current and future WB flying on the HA certificate (HA opens a JFK 330 base, planes painted Jetblue operated by Hawaiian Airlines) then I could see a relatively coherent operation. JB LAX/HNL 320 bases would act like a connected system for crews, but the HNL and JFK 330 bases could operate as a stand alone. Traversing vastly different theaters adds rest issues/complexity anyways so it would make sense to keep JFK pilots on the TATL and HNL on the TPAC. Over time you could add LAX and FLL WB bases for those respective crews.
JetBlue + Alaska + Hawaiian, that would be a true major contender to Big 3.
01-17-2024, 09:19 AM
#865
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Yeah, but are they (HA), really open to other offers? I doubt it, and JetBlue has already gone to a bidding war with Alaska in the past, and lost. It just results in one or the other over paying for HA. The real answer is wait for a new administration and then three way tie up;
JetBlue + Alaska + Hawaiian, that would be a true major contender to Big 3.
JetBlue + Alaska + Hawaiian, that would be a true major contender to Big 3.
personally I think the growth through acquisition idea is done, the board made that clear with Robins departure
01-17-2024, 09:32 AM
#866
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Yea they’re not getting into another merger….unless it’s us being acquired. This whole process has been a gut punch to the company. I highly doubt they’ll appeal the Spirit ruling. They just need to figure out how to turn a profit with who we are. If they can’t do that, we’re fuqed.
01-17-2024, 09:32 AM
#867
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Yeah, but are they (HA), really open to other offers? I doubt it, and JetBlue has already gone to a bidding war with Alaska in the past, and lost. It just results in one or the other over paying for HA. The real answer is wait for a new administration and then three way tie up;
JetBlue + Alaska + Hawaiian, that would be a true major contender to Big 3.
JetBlue + Alaska + Hawaiian, that would be a true major contender to Big 3.
01-17-2024, 09:34 AM
#868
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Could be true, but what about a different model like the Lufthansa Group? Three way mutually agreed upon tie-up, where each entity maintains their unique brand?? No acquisition, just an agreed upon merger of the three, that is inked under a pro-business administration post election.
01-17-2024, 09:38 AM
#869
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Could be true, but what about a different model like the Lufthansa Group? Three way mutually agreed upon tie-up, where each entity maintains their unique brand?? No acquisition, just an agreed upon merger of the three, that is inked under a pro-business administration post election.
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