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Old 01-15-2024, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
We all have a right to feel some angst at this point…epically Spirit pilots. The DOJ has dragged this out further than any airline merger in recent history. Let’s just get a decision this week.
My money is on this week. But as much as we want clarity for career implications, the Judge isn’t under the same level of concern
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Old 01-15-2024, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
We all have a right to feel some angst at this point…epically Spirit pilots. The DOJ has dragged this out further than any airline merger in recent history. Let’s just get a decision this week.
Smarter people than us are betting we get a decision by Friday 5:30pm via the weekly options that expire then. I am a little confused as to why it took this long but there is probably a reason. If the DOJ didn’t meet their burden of showing harm or overwhelmingly did it would be a simple decision. That tells me it is somewhere in between.
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Old 01-15-2024, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Smarter people than us are betting we get a decision by Friday 5:30pm via the weekly options that expire then. I am a little confused as to why it took this long but there is probably a reason. If the DOJ didn’t meet their burden of showing harm or overwhelmingly did it would be a simple decision. That tells me it is somewhere in between.
Smarter than pilots? That doesn’t compute 🤣🤣🤣
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Smarter people than us are betting we get a decision by Friday 5:30pm via the weekly options that expire then. I am a little confused as to why it took this long but there is probably a reason. If the DOJ didn’t meet their burden of showing harm or overwhelmingly did it would be a simple decision. That tells me it is somewhere in between.
As @LionelHutz_Esq has pointed out, there could be other factors we dont even know about, non case related, to a delay. Judge Young could have got covid over the holidays and has been recovering, as he pointed out, or any other factor.


Diane Alter is a merger/arb journalist and she seems to have some insight from the inside. She has reported "Re $JBLU $SAVE #DOJ the decision is indeed a top priority with Judge Young, and it is an all hands on deck situation. There is no update as to the exact day the decision will be released but the Court is aware of the interest of this decision."

I mention these people becuase this isnt their frist merger/anti trust rodeo and they have a better idea of the backstage workings at play.
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Old 01-15-2024, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Smarter people than us are betting we get a decision by Friday 5:30pm via the weekly options that expire then. I am a little confused as to why it took this long but there is probably a reason. If the DOJ didn’t meet their burden of showing harm or overwhelmingly did it would be a simple decision. That tells me it is somewhere in between.
Taking a long time doesn't mean the judge is sitting there trying to figure out what to do, or how to decide. This is an important case in general, and an important case for him. It's more likely that he is trying to write a very high quality judgement, one that will stand up to appeals and stand up to time.

That is my belief as to what is taking this much time.
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Old 01-15-2024, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
As @LionelHutz_Esq has pointed out, there could be other factors we dont even know about, non case related, to a delay. Judge Young could have got covid over the holidays and has been recovering, as he pointed out, or any other factor.


Diane Alter is a merger/arb journalist and she seems to have some insight from the inside. She has reported "Re $JBLU $SAVE #DOJ the decision is indeed a top priority with Judge Young, and it is an all hands on deck situation. There is no update as to the exact day the decision will be released but the Court is aware of the interest of this decision."

I mention these people becuase this isnt their frist merger/anti trust rodeo and they have a better idea of the backstage workings at play.
A cold could put a man this age six feet under. We need a decision before something like that happens
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Old 01-15-2024, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
As @LionelHutz_Esq has pointed out, there could be other factors we dont even know about, non case related, to a delay. Judge Young could have got covid over the holidays and has been recovering, as he pointed out, or any other factor.


Diane Alter is a merger/arb journalist and she seems to have some insight from the inside. She has reported "Re $JBLU $SAVE #DOJ the decision is indeed a top priority with Judge Young, and it is an all hands on deck situation. There is no update as to the exact day the decision will be released but the Court is aware of the interest of this decision."

I mention these people becuase this isnt their frist merger/anti trust rodeo and they have a better idea of the backstage workings at play.
a cold could put a a man his age six feet under. That’s my biggest worry. Need a decision before he dies
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Old 01-15-2024, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
a cold could put a a man his age six feet under. That’s my biggest worry. Need a decision before he dies
“Don’t you go dying on me now”
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Old 01-16-2024, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by En Garde
seriously... I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes but the radio silence and lack of a decision or date for one is creating to much uncertainty and stress for both pilot groups.
It's the equivalent of waiting on the FAA for your special issuance(medical). No profit motive, what's the rush(for them).
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Old 01-16-2024, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Otie
It's the equivalent of waiting on the FAA for your special issuance(medical). No profit motive, what's the rush(for them).
I think in this particular case the “them” is Judge Young. I agree, the DOJ would like this decision to take 6 months. However, the judge said he realizes there is a time component to this case and would rule in a timely manner. He has a reputation of being an excellent no-nonsense judge. I think he understands the importance of this case (to both JetBlue and the industry as a whole) and wants his decision to be well written and on rock solid ground. My guess is it comes out sometime this week.
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