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Old 01-12-2024, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasntme
I believe they could submit until December 16th.
I'm not going to go digging, and also not sure, but thought I read something about giving a deadline as well as a remark about submitting unofficially after that. Would rather be wrong, but apparently the DOJ felt they could continue to throw spaghetti at the wall to what might stick.
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Old 01-12-2024, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Nope... Didn't help the DOJs case. Looked like a hail Mary of desperation. JB's response was very good.

I said mildly interesting, as in pretty much don't bother reading.
Ahh, ok. I can’t imagine the DOJ has much to say at this point, but they’re just not gonna let this go. I’m sure the DOT is going to get it involved next.
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Old 01-13-2024, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasntme
I believe they could submit until December 16th.
It was Dec 13th but there was a write up about these filings on twitter and their origin. If new trial precedent comes out after the case is wrapped but before a ruling you can point to it but it is rare. Normally you don’t want to upset the judge or maybe the case law was available to be cited earlier but you missed it and pointing to it after the fact is bad form. JetBlues filing on Dec19th seemed relevant and this DOJ filing on Jan 11 seems like a delay tactic. I feared their goal was to drag this out and win a victory by jetblues withdrawal from the deal. Jan is the first .10 dividend above the purchase price. That is 11m a month from JetBlue when they are struggling.

I think JetBlue wins (possibly with more divestment) but the political football of this is just starting and the delays are costing JetBlue at a bad time. What does the DOJ need a 6-12 month delay before JetBlue walks?
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Old 01-13-2024, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Nope... Didn't help the DOJs case. Looked like a hail Mary of desperation. JB's response was very good.

I said mildly interesting, as in pretty much don't bother reading.
I read them both for the mild interest. What I enjoyed was reading JB's 5-point rebuttal, picking apart DOJ's filing.
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Old 01-13-2024, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dreadFOroberts
I read them both for the mild interest. What I enjoyed was reading JB's 5-point rebuttal, picking apart DOJ's filing.
Exactly....
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Old 01-13-2024, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
It was Dec 13th but there was a write up about these filings on twitter and their origin. If new trial precedent comes out after the case is wrapped but before a ruling you can point to it but it is rare. Normally you don’t want to upset the judge or maybe the case law was available to be cited earlier but you missed it and pointing to it after the fact is bad form. JetBlues filing on Dec19th seemed relevant and this DOJ filing on Jan 11 seems like a delay tactic. I feared their goal was to drag this out and win a victory by jetblues withdrawal from the deal. Jan is the first .10 dividend above the purchase price. That is 11m a month from JetBlue when they are struggling.

I think JetBlue wins (possibly with more divestment) but the political football of this is just starting and the delays are costing JetBlue at a bad time. What does the DOJ need a 6-12 month delay before JetBlue walks?
just rule already and tell the DOJ to take a walk
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Old 01-13-2024, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
It was Dec 13th but there was a write up about these filings on twitter and their origin. If new trial precedent comes out after the case is wrapped but before a ruling you can point to it but it is rare. Normally you don’t want to upset the judge or maybe the case law was available to be cited earlier but you missed it and pointing to it after the fact is bad form. JetBlues filing on Dec19th seemed relevant and this DOJ filing on Jan 11 seems like a delay tactic. I feared their goal was to drag this out and win a victory by jetblues withdrawal from the deal. Jan is the first .10 dividend above the purchase price. That is 11m a month from JetBlue when they are struggling.

I think JetBlue wins (possibly with more divestment) but the political football of this is just starting and the delays are costing JetBlue at a bad time. What does the DOJ need a 6-12 month delay before JetBlue walks?
I don't think the judge will fall for this a second time. Especially since the filing was more or less not very relevant.

Also, JB isn't as fragile as you suggest, in my opinion.
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Old 01-13-2024, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I don't think the judge will fall for this a second time. Especially since the filing was more or less not very relevant.

Also, JB isn't as fragile as you suggest, in my opinion.
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No but we are over at Spirit, lol. Would be nice to get this merger going already.....
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Old 01-13-2024, 06:47 AM
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No but we are over at Spirit, lol. Would be nice to get this merger going already.....
You don't want the possibility of animals on your tails?? :'(
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Old 01-13-2024, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
You don't want the possibility of animals on your tails?? :'(
Who would?


Although from a legal perspective, that would be even a much more monopolistic merger. If B6-NK won't fly with the DOJ (pun intended) why would F9-NK which would be putting most of the ULCC in one basket?
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