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01-08-2024, 01:24 PM
#682
The REAL Bluedriver
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01-08-2024, 01:25 PM
#683
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01-08-2024, 01:26 PM
#684
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I have to disagree with Bluedriver on one point. Everything you are saying passes the sniff test except where you assume NK ALPA will manage JCBA expectations for the NK pilot group. I've seen it a half dozen times - arguments for the "Time-Value" of a pay increase.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current NK rates can do the math and figure out a NO vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the Joint NC goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the Time-Value of their NO vote.
An NK pilot already making B6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote YES on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the JCBA.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current NK rates can do the math and figure out a NO vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the Joint NC goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the Time-Value of their NO vote.
An NK pilot already making B6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote YES on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the JCBA.
01-08-2024, 01:31 PM
#685
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
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i have to disagree with bluedriver on one point. Everything you are saying passes the sniff test except where you assume nk alpa will manage jcba expectations for the nk pilot group. I've seen it a half dozen times - arguments for the "time-value" of a pay increase.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current nk rates can do the math and figure out a no vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the joint nc goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the time-value of their no vote.
An nk pilot already making b6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote yes on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the jcba.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current nk rates can do the math and figure out a no vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the joint nc goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the time-value of their no vote.
An nk pilot already making b6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote yes on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the jcba.
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01-08-2024, 01:33 PM
#686
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01-08-2024, 01:45 PM
#688
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
I have to disagree with Bluedriver on one point. Everything you are saying passes the sniff test except where you assume NK ALPA will manage JCBA expectations for the NK pilot group. I've seen it a half dozen times - arguments for the "Time-Value" of a pay increase.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current NK rates can do the math and figure out a NO vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the Joint NC goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the Time-Value of their NO vote.
An NK pilot already making B6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote YES on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the JCBA.
A pilot making $250/hour will vote yes for $340/hour much faster than a pilot who is already making $330 an hour.
In other words, a pilot making current NK rates can do the math and figure out a NO vote will cost them $6,000 a month while the Joint NC goes back to the company to renegotiate. Instead of us having time on our side, half our voters are considering the Time-Value of their NO vote.
An NK pilot already making B6 rates can "wait out" the company much longer. He is much less incentivized to vote YES on pay scales alone and he'll consider the rest of the JCBA.
I don't believe that EITHER JNC views the wage starting point as anything less than the top of the current industry, plus some, with the absolute floor being Aug 24 JetBlue rates. So there should be ZERO risk of low-ball pay rates being presented.
But your point is taken. It doesn't sit right with me that we would bring them up to our rates, and our snap-up, and our retirement percentage, etc, while we sit here with a dysfunctional reserve grid and dysfunctional premium pay system, and...
I believe there are some potential risks in what you say, but those should be manageable and avoidable.
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