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01-07-2024, 06:04 PM
#641
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,013
I really wouldn’t get too deep into the assumption that you will get some great advantage because JBLU pilots make more hourly than NK does. We are 2 narrowbody carriers and the career expectations of both groups is/was to fly narrowbody aircraft. This isn’t a US Airways/AmericaWest and “super premium wide body flying”.
For every “we bring a highly hourly rate” argument, NK will have a counter. It’s how it works
Focus on the big picture, step 1, TPA. Getting as much as we can during the TPA will only help us in the JCBA. Cutting off your nose to spite your face seldom works; assuming holding back gains in the TPA at the potential cost of JCBA gains, not a good idea.
For every “we bring a highly hourly rate” argument, NK will have a counter. It’s how it works
Focus on the big picture, step 1, TPA. Getting as much as we can during the TPA will only help us in the JCBA. Cutting off your nose to spite your face seldom works; assuming holding back gains in the TPA at the potential cost of JCBA gains, not a good idea.
01-07-2024, 07:29 PM
#644
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,921
An arbitrator decides it all anyways, I’ve been through this crap before, it really isn’t that bad.
01-07-2024, 08:14 PM
#645
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,146
I doubt the company will entertain a snap up, but if they did it’s not a bad thing.
it makes the heavy lifting for the CBA a little easier.
It would also bring the NK guys up before the CBA so they are less likely to be enticed by a larger wage increase over other areas. I think there would need to be some gains for the JB guys as well though.
There should also be a protocol agreement between the unions, attached to this TPA that sets some standards that will be used during the SLI. Important dates and agreed on categories and class(if they can agree)So JBALPA agreeing to push for pay parity may impact that as well or vice versa.
it makes the heavy lifting for the CBA a little easier.
It would also bring the NK guys up before the CBA so they are less likely to be enticed by a larger wage increase over other areas. I think there would need to be some gains for the JB guys as well though.
There should also be a protocol agreement between the unions, attached to this TPA that sets some standards that will be used during the SLI. Important dates and agreed on categories and class(if they can agree)So JBALPA agreeing to push for pay parity may impact that as well or vice versa.
01-08-2024, 12:04 AM
#646
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 238
The problem with NOT pushing for pay parity immediately is that if they are still making substantially less, the NK pilots might settle for a lesser payscale than the B6 pilots Woukd prefer because it will be a larger raise for them. If you are going to negotiate you want all voting members to hold out for the most everyone can get, not to have two groups each getting differing amounts of improvement. Remember, all management needs is 50%+1.
01-08-2024, 05:29 AM
#649
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
Well, the "RJs" will all be gone before a single NK joins the seniority list. And as you point out, pay almost as much as NK's biggest jet after the Aug 24 snap-up. The A220 will pay more than NK's biggest jet. There will only be 10-12 E190s left end of THIS year.
01-08-2024, 05:37 AM
#650
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
The problem with NOT pushing for pay parity immediately is that if they are still making substantially less, the NK pilots might settle for a lesser payscale than the B6 pilots Woukd prefer because it will be a larger raise for them. If you are going to negotiate you want all voting members to hold out for the most everyone can get, not to have two groups each getting differing amounts of improvement. Remember, all management needs is 50%+1.
Your pilots are moving to a different segment of the industry, no longer having your expectations tied to Frontier and Allegiant. Your pilots expectations should move along with your seat in the industry. More importantly, you will need to police and educate your own group. And even more important than that, management doesn't get to present a contract designed to get 50% +1. The Joint Negotiating Committee gets to decide what gets TA'd. They are our firewall to protect us from ourselves.
Either way, the Aug 24 JetBlue rates are the absolute floor for JCBA negotiations, and nothing below that even matters.
You guys have much better reserve grid rules, and your beloved DTZ, and as another poster pointed out, your own claim to be able to significantly out-earn us with your "work rules". Whether that is true or not, I see no reason to give you our rates, which would give you guys a better overall CBA than us, per your own pilots previous posts. All while we get nothing tangible for the effort, and are stuck with our current non-functional reserve grids.
We all have much to gain and much to correct with this JCBA. We will all wait and enjoy the spoils at that same time.
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