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12-05-2023, 06:43 AM
#331
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And it is difficult to decide if the recently announced Hawaiian/Alaska deal helps or hurts the case for allowing the sale.
But if the DOT were truly SERIOUS about competition in the aviation marketplace it would seem like the place to start would be fortress hubs. When one can't get a gate or a slot, there is no way you can compete against those already established there. Even just requiring the slots and gates be available to the largest aircraft desiring to use them woukd permit more capacity. And get rid of the regional aircraft the Big Three use to tie up those gates and slots.
But if the DOT were truly SERIOUS about competition in the aviation marketplace it would seem like the place to start would be fortress hubs. When one can't get a gate or a slot, there is no way you can compete against those already established there. Even just requiring the slots and gates be available to the largest aircraft desiring to use them woukd permit more capacity. And get rid of the regional aircraft the Big Three use to tie up those gates and slots.
12-05-2023, 06:53 AM
#332
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And it is difficult to decide if the recently announced Hawaiian/Alaska deal helps or hurts the case for allowing the sale.
But if the DOT were truly SERIOUS about competition in the aviation marketplace it would seem like the place to start would be fortress hubs. When one can't get a gate or a slot, there is no way you can compete against those already established there. Even just requiring the slots and gates be available to the largest aircraft desiring to use them woukd permit more capacity. And get rid of the regional aircraft the Big Three use to tie up those gates and slots.
But if the DOT were truly SERIOUS about competition in the aviation marketplace it would seem like the place to start would be fortress hubs. When one can't get a gate or a slot, there is no way you can compete against those already established there. Even just requiring the slots and gates be available to the largest aircraft desiring to use them woukd permit more capacity. And get rid of the regional aircraft the Big Three use to tie up those gates and slots.
12-05-2023, 07:22 AM
#333
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I was initially worried reading his questioning of JB/NK but then he proceeded to do the same to the DOJ.
devils advocate type stuff to both sides during the closing.
still confident in passing, but he may request some additional divestitures. Where 🤷♂️
devils advocate type stuff to both sides during the closing.
still confident in passing, but he may request some additional divestitures. Where 🤷♂️
12-05-2023, 07:24 AM
#334
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I wonder if he also requires a future review maybe 3-5yrs down the road to see how the market has changed, what ULCCs have done, price effects, etc
12-05-2023, 07:29 AM
#335
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how could you unroll a merger though? I think JB would abandon the merger of that was a condition.
interesting that the timeline for the doj seems to be 2-3 years looking at harm, while JB says spirit won’t even be fully gone by then.
12-05-2023, 07:30 AM
#336
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12-05-2023, 07:33 AM
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They wouldn't necessarily tell them to unroll it. They could require JB to divest more gates/slots if certain requirements aren't met, or some other costly penalties.
12-05-2023, 07:39 AM
#338
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Yeah reminds me of the TATL JVs that the big carriers have and periodic reviews which supposedly ensure competition stays alive, with slot divestiture requirements.
12-05-2023, 08:07 AM
#339
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With my bias a consideration, from reading the closing arguments, I really get the feeling the DOJ is arguing on their heels. They're just not making a good case. But at the end of the day it's the Judge in charge here.
12-05-2023, 08:17 AM
#340
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The play by play did not give me warm and fuzzy for approval. Up to today I assumed it was a slam dunk.
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