Originally Posted by dfwflyboy

i get that. But neither of us pilots want this merger. We all wanted to stay happy at our little airlines with our current list. However. This may not be the case. These airlines might be thrust together and we have to find the best solution for fairness. Which would be relative. I’m 42% of spirit after 5+ years. Why should I fall back to 49% with DOH. I would expect to be around 42+\-1%. My expectations were to grow 150 planes fr what we have. Not grow by 300 but lose 90 E190 and dump the 320CEOs as B6 wants. That a net gain of prob 160-180 total. Much different then what I expected. So I do understand DOH. I get it. But the most fair to all pilots. Not just someone who wants to be #1 when they retire is to do relative up to about 70%. Then DOH after that. Some form of hybrid.

Originally Posted by chucknorris

You can never count on just growth; and you also have 30 something a319s that need to be replaced. Both airlines are likely negotiating top up orders at this point, and the combined airline will need that too.

Originally Posted by chucknorris

You can never count on just growth; and you also have 30 something a319s that need to be replaced. Both airlines are likely negotiating top up orders at this point, and the combined airline will need that too.

Originally Posted by dfwflyboy

the growth is very different. Spirit has 150 on order. With no real plans to lose any. B6 in their investor report says they have 150ish on order but 90 E190 are gonna go bye bye. And the A320 CEO. Which I’m not sure how many B6 has. The net growth is <60 planes (correct me if I’m wrong). My expectation at spirit to grow 150 is to increase seniority quite a bit more ~1300/5400 (17 pilots/plane) or so in next 5 years. Growth and relative seniority gain (since we don’t have many retirement) expectations are very dif. Either way this shakes out. Hopefully we all keep our seats. And relative seniority. I’m sorry if you won’t be #1. And I’m sorry I won’t go from 42% to 24% in 5 years. But it is what it is. Make some good money while you can. Enjoy your time off. And have fun at work working with good peeps. Those are most important things. B6 guys are good people. Spirit guys are good people. However it shakes out. Remember. Pilots aren’t the enemy. Management is!!! And at least it’s not DAL,UAL, or AA

Originally Posted by NKSpilot

Yet according to your apc boys, we are supposed to take a massive and immediate hit in seniority and bidding power now and for the foreseeable future, so your younger senior pilots can have better seniority at some ill-defined point down the road due to retirements (and a lot of assumptions such as no future mergers or that Jet Blue would even be a viable airline in 30 years)
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I see a lot of inconsistency in logic on this thread

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

On a recent pocket session Ursula said that due to the age of some of the 320s and our order book basically ending in 26-27, an RFP would be forthcoming for new 320 replacements. Scott had mentioned months ago that at some point in probably 22-23 we’d have to look at making a new order for NB replacements, and that we could get a better deal on WBs if we time that with our new NB order, but they weren’t sure if they’d have the data they need to push forward with one at that point (or something to that effect). No idea if the NK merger would change the timeline on that…I can’t imagine if there was uncertainty around that that they’d make an order while all that was pending. But, I do think that regardless of whether or not the merger goes through, B6 will make a another fairly substantial Airbus order in the next 1-3 years.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

i bet we see the A220-500 replace all current and future A320 orders. The NK 320neo orders will either be converted to 321 variants and/or 220-500s (assuming the merger happens).

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

i bet we see the A220-500 replace all current and future A320 orders. The NK 320neo orders will either be converted to 321 variants and/or 220-500s (assuming the merger happens).

Originally Posted by NKSpilot

Yet according to your apc boys, we are supposed to take a massive and immediate hit in seniority and bidding power now and for the foreseeable future, so your younger senior pilots can have better seniority at some ill-defined point down the road due to retirements (and a lot of assumptions such as no future mergers or that Jet Blue would even be a viable airline in 30 years)
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I see a lot of inconsistency in logic on this thread