JetBlue bids for Spirit Airlines
04-12-2022, 06:32 AM
#341
Gets Weekends Off
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Pick your poison. Obviously being on the JetBlue seniority list I’d prefer DOH, but even with 100% relative seniority I pretty much stay status quo. Yes it would be a little jarring at first to see Spirit pilots around your seniority that were hired at Spirit a few years after you. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and realize you’re still not losing seniority and we’re taking in a great pilot group. There’s no perfect option.
04-12-2022, 06:44 AM
#342
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Yes I read it. I don’t expect it to go 100% relative seniority, just saying if it leaned that way I don’t think it wouldn’t be catastrophic like some think. It’s all a gamble. Yes you’ll end up retiring more junior with this merger like you said but what are the other options and are they better? We try and continue as a standalone airline without much of a plan or identity? Either way it’ll go the way of Alaska/Virgin or a 50/50 split is my guess.
Hopefully this will quell the desire I hear of when will United come in and save us, if a SLI with Spirit is causing this much anxiety. (Not from you, just in general).
Hopefully this will quell the desire I hear of when will United come in and save us, if a SLI with Spirit is causing this much anxiety. (Not from you, just in general).
There will be a middle ground as others have said. It won’t be pure doh and it won’t be pure relative. Having said that of course SLI talk causes anxiety. Seniority is everything so it’s certainly natural.
What I don’t get is the worry about the contracts and who has what. It really does not matter because if this does go we will have to come up with a new one. Take the best parts of both. We will never operate under each other’s current contract.
I just hope our two pilot groups understand this is probably the most leverage we will ever ever have. If you want it get it now. They need us more than we need them, both with staffing and a contract to finish the merger.
Personally I like the combo and I know the spirit dudes are good guys who I would be happy to fly with. If we can fix the operation we should be a good airline, maybe even a “destination carrier”
04-12-2022, 06:48 AM
#343
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I just can’t believe how much energy is being expended on this while our operation is in shambles.
Legitimately the worst it’s ever been, totally owning the “worst airline in the US” title, no end in sight, cutting more flights than any other airline, blaming everything other than the actual cause, negative press every single day… but let’s buy Spirit. Yeah, let’s focus on that. That will fix everything.
Legitimately the worst it’s ever been, totally owning the “worst airline in the US” title, no end in sight, cutting more flights than any other airline, blaming everything other than the actual cause, negative press every single day… but let’s buy Spirit. Yeah, let’s focus on that. That will fix everything.
04-12-2022, 06:50 AM
#344
The REAL Bluedriver
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Suppose it becomes commonly misunderstood that with relative seniority everyone just keeps what they have, status quo? Remember the MECs and/or their designated committee will meet to try and negotiate an amicable list before arbitration. Are you ok with them agreeing to a 100% relative seniority list? If it goes to arbitration, the JB MEC or it's designee will have to present the JB position to the arbitrator and make the arguments for our side. Are you ok with having them argue for 100% relative seniority?
It's important to make sure our group understands the pitfalls of each methodology, and speaks about them clearly.
04-12-2022, 06:51 AM
#345
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The number of Spirit pilots hired prior to the year 2000 is less than 90, a small number compared to JetBlues hiring numbers after 2000. The combined pilot group, if it happens at all, would be in excess of 7000. DOH or RS in the long run will not be an issue except to those that would never be happy with any result. We are all just along for the ride.
04-12-2022, 06:55 AM
#346
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But to an extent, if it happens, we do have a say in the matter, though not the final word.
Suppose it becomes commonly misunderstood that with relative seniority everyone just keeps what they have, status quo? Remember the MECs and/or their designated committee will meet to try and negotiate an amicable list before arbitration. Are you ok with them agreeing to a 100% relative seniority list? If it goes to arbitration, the JB MEC or it's designee will have to present the JB position to the arbitrator and make the arguments for our side. Are you ok with having them argue for 100% relative seniority?
It's important to make sure our group understands the pitfalls of each methodology, and speaks about them clearly.
Suppose it becomes commonly misunderstood that with relative seniority everyone just keeps what they have, status quo? Remember the MECs and/or their designated committee will meet to try and negotiate an amicable list before arbitration. Are you ok with them agreeing to a 100% relative seniority list? If it goes to arbitration, the JB MEC or it's designee will have to present the JB position to the arbitrator and make the arguments for our side. Are you ok with having them argue for 100% relative seniority?
It's important to make sure our group understands the pitfalls of each methodology, and speaks about them clearly.
04-12-2022, 07:10 AM
#347
The REAL Bluedriver
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04-12-2022, 07:12 AM
#348
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The number of Spirit pilots hired prior to the year 2000 is less than 90, a small number compared to JetBlues hiring numbers after 2000. The combined pilot group, if it happens at all, would be in excess of 7000. DOH or RS in the long run will not be an issue except to those that would never be happy with any result. We are all just along for the ride.
04-12-2022, 07:30 AM
#349
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I'm is the less than 90 group. So longevity matters to me as it should for all. Whatever strategy is used we need to accept it and move forward as a unified force.
04-12-2022, 07:33 AM
#350
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