JetBlue bids for Spirit Airlines
04-11-2022, 02:54 PM
#321
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1.E.2:
”A single collective bargaining agreement will be negotiated by the pilot groups and the Companies subject to the transaction or their Successor. While such negotiations are ongoing and until a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement is ratified the status quo as specified in the agreement(s) of the impacted pilot group(s) will apply. Each pre-merger carrier shall keep separate flight operations of the carriers and will not transfer or interchange pilots or aircraft between the carriers unless otherwise negotiated and agreed to by the Association, and shall ensure that all Company aircraft on hand or on order at the time of the transaction are operated only by JetBlue Pilots...”
So until the combined groups vote in a JCBA, management will be unable to realize most of the advantages of the merger.
Or we could sign a LOA that provides narrow and specific relief and starts with “Notwithstanding Section 1.E.2..”
”A single collective bargaining agreement will be negotiated by the pilot groups and the Companies subject to the transaction or their Successor. While such negotiations are ongoing and until a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement is ratified the status quo as specified in the agreement(s) of the impacted pilot group(s) will apply. Each pre-merger carrier shall keep separate flight operations of the carriers and will not transfer or interchange pilots or aircraft between the carriers unless otherwise negotiated and agreed to by the Association, and shall ensure that all Company aircraft on hand or on order at the time of the transaction are operated only by JetBlue Pilots...”
So until the combined groups vote in a JCBA, management will be unable to realize most of the advantages of the merger.
Or we could sign a LOA that provides narrow and specific relief and starts with “Notwithstanding Section 1.E.2..”
04-11-2022, 06:48 PM
#325
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Not really. It failed. You can argue 12 lost leverage. But, the fact that our vote was required for 17 still matters. The only way yes to 17 will have been the right vote is if the NEA goes away, from the DOJ or because of a spirit merger imo. Then we keep the gains and our relief is irrelevant anyway.
04-11-2022, 06:59 PM
#326
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Would be nice going forward that when we are talking about no backbone, we call out only the 60%ers, instead of lumping me and the other 40% NO voters in the same no backbone category. The results were not 100% Yes, only 60%.
04-11-2022, 07:37 PM
#327
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yes I am only talking about them. The same who almost voted in loa 13, ck at the helm.
04-11-2022, 09:10 PM
#328
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Because the three year Spirit guy/gal is, on average, 4 years younger than the 7 year Jetblue guy. That is on average so please don't get into semantics. That ruins the seniority progression of the Jetblue guy/gal. If that Jetblue pilot is 440(10%) on the Jetblue list and nobody younger than him in front, he will retire number one. In comes 300 Spirit(10%) ahead of him. 220 possibly younger.
Last edited by symbian simian; 04-11-2022 at 09:23 PM.
04-11-2022, 09:18 PM
#329
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Because chasing an upgrade has worked out so well in the past. Also I think my point still stands the hiring minimums are lower in spirit. I’ll all for the working with the Spirit pilots. I’ve met nothing but great people there and from my previous airline they’re all amazing that are there. If it was Alaska I’d say it’s more so a fair comparison and apples to apples regardless if I lost seniority I’d make more sense. I think that’s what happened with Alaska Virgin. Same airline just west coast east coast. I’m just saying it’s not apples to apples. If it was straight relative seniority that’d be heavily inclined the spirit way. If that balance was to swing one way it should be the other way, just as ID expect or understand if it was a legacy merging with JetBlue.
YOU didn’t apply. I mean that must be true for the rest too. I think the frontier and spirit merger SLI would have its issues just like any other would but absolutely would be less painful. Regardless if it’s with us once it’s over with you’d realize people are trying to defend their stance but doesn’t mean they aren’t great people. Just like you’d defend a staple doesn’t mean I won’t defend losing years of seniority. Outside that we can have a beer and talk about anything that doesn’t involve planes or work. It’s all relative btw. Let’s not forget how the frontier group treated the republic pilots. Granted there’s been many different faces in frontier since then.
04-12-2022, 02:19 AM
#330
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Been with NK since 2013, looked at JB and passed as did all the FOs I have flown with. I am sure you didn't apply to NK, and neither did any of your FOs (captains?). Confirmation bias is real. RS means just that, you don't lose anything as far as your bidding power is concerned. I can see where DOH should be considered as the combined group ages, if one group was substantially younger, but just having someone above you on the list with a later date of hire doesn't mean your life has been adversely affected.
Stop trying to convince us otherwise.
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