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Old 04-09-2022, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
How so? Did it come into play with AS/VX? I’d assumed they both had the same career expectations and the arbitrator didn’t put any weight into that section.

Also does anyone have a link to the final AS/VX arbitrator ruling? Would be some interesting reading for dorks like me
The historical context was career expectations meant widebodies vs narrowbodies. Since AS/VX had none, the arbitrators said "the two primary components of a pilot’s career expectations are job security and job opportunities, most importantly upgrades."

VX proposed 15% longevity, 85% status category.

AS proposed 70% longevity, 30% status category, with some re-ratio of FOs on the back end of the seniority list to favor AS FOs more.


"The Board concludes that longevity should be the single largest consideration in driving the method for merging the lists."

The final arbitrated result was a harmony model, straight 60% longevity and 40% status category.


It did set a precedent (IMHO). It was the largest award towards longevity of any recent arbitrated SLIs. Personally, I think you're going to see similar sorts of results for narrowbody only airline SLIs. Sort of a 50-50 split for longevity/status category, and +/- 10% either side.
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Old 04-09-2022, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
The historical context was career expectations meant widebodies vs narrowbodies. Since AS/VX had none, the arbitrators said "the two primary components of a pilot’s career expectations are job security and job opportunities, most importantly upgrades."

VX proposed 15% longevity, 85% status category.

AS proposed 70% longevity, 30% status category, with some re-ratio of FOs on the back end of the seniority list to favor AS FOs more.


"The Board concludes that longevity should be the single largest consideration in driving the method for merging the lists."

The final arbitrated result was a harmony model, straight 60% longevity and 40% status category.


It did set a precedent (IMHO). It was the largest award towards longevity of any recent arbitrated SLIs. Personally, I think you're going to see similar sorts of results for narrowbody only airline SLIs. Sort of a 50-50 split for longevity/status category, and +/- 10% either side.
That's in line with the thinking of some ALPA folks that were starting to look at the nk/f9 ISL.
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Old 04-09-2022, 12:09 PM
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That's in line with the thinking of some ALPA folks that were starting to look at the nk/f9 ISL.
So downgrades galore for NK then eh?
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Old 04-09-2022, 12:56 PM
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I just realized, Spirit pilots already wear blue pants and ties. So the blue shirts should come natural.
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Old 04-09-2022, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DrSours
I just realized, Spirit pilots already wear blue pants and ties. So the blue shirts should come natural.
I think the vast majority of JB pilots would love to get white shirts out of the deal (and maybe even a functional outdoor uniform jacket).
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I think the vast majority of JB pilots would love to get white shirts out of the deal (and maybe even a functional outdoor uniform jacket).
I’d love getting rid of the trash blue shirts….
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Old 04-09-2022, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
The historical context was career expectations meant widebodies vs narrowbodies. Since AS/VX had none, the arbitrators said "the two primary components of a pilot’s career expectations are job security and job opportunities, most importantly upgrades."

VX proposed 15% longevity, 85% status category.

AS proposed 70% longevity, 30% status category, with some re-ratio of FOs on the back end of the seniority list to favor AS FOs more.


"The Board concludes that longevity should be the single largest consideration in driving the method for merging the lists."

The final arbitrated result was a harmony model, straight 60% longevity and 40% status category.


It did set a precedent (IMHO). It was the largest award towards longevity of any recent arbitrated SLIs. Personally, I think you're going to see similar sorts of results for narrowbody only airline SLIs. Sort of a 50-50 split for longevity/status category, and +/- 10% either side.
Thanks Shy, good info
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Old 04-09-2022, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
I think the vast majority of JB pilots would love to get white shirts out of the deal (and maybe even a functional outdoor uniform jacket).
Hahaha!! Good luck.

Don't forget, Jetblue is a marketing firm that happens to own a few airplanes.
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Old 04-09-2022, 02:39 PM
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So downgrades galore for NK then eh?
I would emphatically say no. I don't think it would happen, and wouldn't support any NK pilots being downgraded do to the SLI.
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I would emphatically say no. I don't think it would happen, and wouldn't support any NK pilots being downgraded do to the SLI.
i
domt see that happening at all. Nk Capts would keep their seats.
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